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TomG1
Returning Member

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Hi- 

After going over all our expenses for our daughter's education for 2024,  I realized that $525.55 were non-qualified expenses for 529 distribution.  In TurboTax, a section asks if I want to treat an amount as "taxable"?    Can I use the amount of $525.55 as an amount to treat as taxable? 

 

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AmyC
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Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Yes. If you applied your 529 distribution to 529 qualified Room and Board (including students living at home) and Qualified Education Expenses - Internal Revenue Service and have a remainder, it is taxable.

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TomG1
Returning Member

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Thanks Amy- 

 

If I list the $525.55 as taxable.  TT shows that I still get an American Opportunity Credit.   Can I use both the education tax credit AND the American Opportunity Credit]?  

Hal_Al
Level 15

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Q.  Can I use the amount of $525.55 as an amount to treat as taxable? 

A. No. The non qualified amount of the distribution is not the taxable amount. It is used to calculate a percentage of the distribution that is non qualified. Then that % is applied to the earnings (box 2 of the 1099-Q) for the taxable amount of the distribution. See example below. 

 

Q. Can I use both the education tax credit AND the American Opportunity Credit?

A. There is only one credit. The American Opportunity Credit is The education tax credit.

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit regardless of whose money was used to pay the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

There is  $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. A student, with no other income, can have up to $14,600 of taxable scholarship (in 2024) and still pay no income tax. 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B on campus charge. If he lives at home, the school’s R&B “allowance for cost of attendance” for student living with parents.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?
  • Is the student a degree candidate attending school half time or more?
TomG1
Returning Member

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Hello Hal_Al

Thanks for your response and questions.

Here are answers to your questions from the best of my knowledge: In order of questions:

Parent

Yes

15,233.34

0

No

No

NA- no scholarships

$38,612

$38,612

Thomas Gorr  SS ending 0270

$6,150/ 5 mo. semester; $14,625/entire year 2024

$137.66 for computer stylus

2 part time jobs. W-2s (box 1)  = $8,120.32 and $761.10

If possible- not sure if eligible

Undergrad

Degree student attending full-time

 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Box 1 and box 2 of the 1099-Q are both $38,612?  How did that happen? That's so unusual, that my first reaction is: "That's not even possible". Are you sure it's not box 3 that has 38612 and box 2 is 0? Is Thomas Gore the student or the parent?

 

That said,  your numbers add up  $8616* of the distribution being non qualified (12,616 to get the $2500 AOTC or $10,616 to get  only $2000 AOTC).  8616/38612 = 22.314% of the earnings are taxable and subject to the 10% penalty.  You may allocate some of the tuition to the AOTC.  That much more earnings will be taxed, but not subject to the 10% penalty. But, if box 1 and box 3 (of the 1099-Q) are the same (and box 2 is 0), then nothing is taxable and the 1099-Q can be ignored.  Enter the 1098-T, to collect the full AOTC. 

 

There's no clue to where you got  $525.55 as an amount to treat as taxable. 

 

Reply back with verification of the earnings amount and I'll tell you how to enter this. I'll assume you want to allocate $4000 of tuition to the AOTC (you want $2500 AOTC, not $2000). 

 

*You have $29,996 of qualified educational expenses (QEE)(15,233 + 14,625 + 138).  $38,612 - 29996 = 8616.

TomG1
Returning Member

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Hal_Al-

 

Thanks again for your responses and info.  Here are answers to your last comments/questions:

 

Box 1 and Box 2 of the 1099-Q both show the amount of $38,612

 

My daughter, Olivia is the student; Thomas (me) is the parent

 

$525 as Taxable?   the difference between the amount of distribution shown ($38,612) and amounts spent totaling tuition, room and board, computer expenses AND including the distribution of $7,101.31 posted on 12/30/2024 for Spring 2025 tuition.  

Hal_Al
Level 15

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Then yes, in this very unusual case (box 1 = box2), $525 is the taxable amount; unless you want to claim the AOTC. In that case you make $4525 the taxable amount*. 

 

You still haven't answered the big question: why is the amount in box 2 the same as box 1.  How did you fund the account with pre-tax money.  Or the more appropriate question is: have you verified with the account administrator that the 1099-Q is correct.  The third version of this question is: is this not really a 529 plan, but actually a Coverdell ESA. Usually, with a CESA, the administrator puts the box 1 amount in box 2 because they don't know the correct amount. You, as the owner, are expected to keep track of your cost basis, and calculate manually the earnings to enter in box 2. 

 

*Earlier you said "If I list the $525.55 as taxable.  TT shows that I still get an American Opportunity Credit." That isn't correct, because $526 taxable doesn't allocate any tuition for the AOTC.

  It's best if you have some idea of the outcome expected, when you make your entries. You must enter the 1099-Q before you enter the 1098-T.  In addition to entering numbers, you must complete the “Education Information” sub-section. In particular, be on the lookout for a screen “education expenses used for a tax credit”. It will usually be prepopulated (sometimes with $10K instead of the more appropriate $4K). You can change it for the amount you want to allocate to the ed credit (usually $4000) . If you don't get that screen, check the student information worksheet. You can change it there (line 17). Make the change in the first column.   

 

TomG1
Returning Member

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Hello Again Hal_Al-

 

To follow-up. 

This education fund started as an Educational Savings Account (ESA).   But the account was then taken over (transferred) to the Vanguard 529 College Savings Plan (under the Nevada College Savings Trust).   So previous years the 1099-Q were from an ESA and this year (2024) from the 529 plan.   I checked the 2024 boxes1 and 2 and they showed the same number ($38,612).   Previous years showed nothing in box 1 and 2.

 

Not to confuse things further, but of the total amount shown for distribution in 2024, $7,100 was used to pay for tuition in Spring semester 2025.    I understand now that the distribution and the expense payment should occur in the same year.    Is this also part of the problem with my situation? 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

.Q.   I understand now that the distribution and the expense payment should occur in the same year.    Is this also part of the problem with my situation? 

A. No.  First term 2025 expenses paid in 2024 are QEE for tax year 2024. 

 

"Previous years (1099-Q) showed nothing in box 1 and 2"

Do you mean nothing in boxes 2 and 3? If box 1 was empty that would men no distribution, so no 1099-Q would be issued.  If you really meant nothing in box 1 and 2, what was in box 3?

 

 "2024 boxes1 and 2 and they showed the same number ($38,612)" just ain't right.  You have to calculate your cost basis, from your own records (and/or contact the plan administrator for help) or you going to have to treat the whole $8616 (as calculated above) as taxable. 

 

 

 

TomG1
Returning Member

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Hi Again- 

 

The 1099-Q $38,612 total distribution for 2024, included $7,101 distributed in 2024 (posted December 30) for Spring 2025 tuition- paid in January of 2025. 

TomG1
Returning Member

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

Hal_Al-

 

Box 1,2,3 for the 2023 1099-Q were all blank.

 

Further, box 3 for the 2024 1099-Q (basis showed $0

Hal_Al
Level 15

Non-qualifed expenes from 529 plan- and education tax credit

"The 1099-Q $38,612 total distribution for 2024, included $7,101 distributed in 2024 (posted December 30) for Spring 2025 tuition- paid in January of 2025."

So, it appears you now have $37,097 of QEE (15,233 + 14,625 + 138 + 7101).  $38,612 - 37,097 = $1515 of the distribution is non qualified. 1515 /38612 = 3.924% of the earnings is taxable income.

 

"Box 1,2,3 for the 2023 1099-Q were all blank."

Never heard of that before. Maybe the rollover box was checked.

 

"Further, box 3 for the 2024 1099-Q (basis showed $0"

I previously commented on that. 

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