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New Member
posted Jun 29, 2020 12:33:25 AM

Remove QBI Rental Real Estate Safe Harbor Statement: erroneously selected

I have searched a lot, and I'm not able to find where I selected QBI initially. I am self-employed and I have a rental property, but it isn't showing up under either. Do I need to start my taxes over? Thanks in advance!

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Level 15
Jun 29, 2020 7:02:20 AM

You do not need to start your return over. Rather you need to go through the Rental Properties section again and select the proper choice in the QBI screen (see screenshot).

 

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Level 15
Jun 29, 2020 7:02:20 AM

You do not need to start your return over. Rather you need to go through the Rental Properties section again and select the proper choice in the QBI screen (see screenshot).

 

New Member
Jun 29, 2020 8:12:49 AM

Thanks for the quick reply! I have tried that multiple times, but that screen hasn’t come up again after the first time I selected it. Is there any other way to navigate to that option than to click through the typical way? If so, can you walk me through it step by step? Thanks again!

Level 1
Jul 10, 2020 11:24:55 PM

I had the same problem. I couldn't delete the Safe Harbor statement in Forms view (it just kept reappearing). So I went back to the beginning of the Rental Property section and clicked through the info, income, and expense questions for the property, and right at the end, after it looked like it was all done, the Safe Harbor question screen appeared and I was able to deselect the option. Hope this works for you!

 

Ps. On the separate "Is this Qualified Business Income?" screen, you can still select Yes there if your rental activity meets the definition shown ("based in the U.S. and carried on with regularity, continuity, and a profit motive"), which most ordinary rental businesses would.

Expert Alumni
Jul 11, 2020 9:54:23 AM

Note that if you declare your rental a trade or business without using the Safe Harbor, you may become subject to the other requirements of a Section 162 trade or business.  See Q17 on the IRS webpage at this link.  For example, the IRS has not made it clear whether a rental activity conducted as a Section 162 trade or business is subject to the Form 1099-MISC requirements.

Level 1
Jul 13, 2020 10:26:41 AM

I didn't claim Rental Property QBI, uncheck the box on Schedule E, but the SEC A "Rental Real Estate Safe Harbor Statement" still included in my return. How to remove the statement from my return? Thank you very much!

Expert Alumni
Jul 13, 2020 10:36:27 AM

Here's how to check for a form in TurboTax Online: 

  1. Open or continue your return in TurboTax.
  2. In the left menu, select the dropdown arrow next to Tax Tools and then Tools.
  3. In the pop-up window Tool Center, choose Delete a form.
  4. Scroll down the page and look for the form you need to delete, e.g., a safe harbor election statement.
  5. Select Delete next to the form you want to delete and confirm the deletion.

Click here for the full article on deleting a form in TurboTax.

 

TurboTax Download/CD users don't have that left menu panel with Tax Tools.  Download/CD users go to Forms mode to delete a form.  Find the form in the left column, click on it and it will open. Then, click the Delete Form button at the bottom.

 

@hkaa138

Level 1
Jul 13, 2020 11:05:38 AM

Thank you so much for your quick reply. But I don't see "Delete Form Button" at the bottom. 

Expert Alumni
Jul 13, 2020 11:43:04 AM

The Delete a Form button is for Download/CD users in Forms mode (icon top right in blue bar):

 

New Member
Sep 25, 2020 2:23:58 PM

I selected the "NO" option cited below and the Safe Harbor Statement is still included in my return. Any other suggestions?

Level 15
Sep 25, 2020 4:53:24 PM

Please use the following link to contact Customer Support for further assistance.

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/using-turbotax/help/what-is-the-turbotax-phone-number/00/25632

Returning Member
Mar 28, 2021 10:23:10 AM

I have 5 rentals.  I did not select QBI for any of these incomes, but TurboTax shows one of my rental income as QBI.  This generates a 8895 and adds a figure to my taxable income on line 13 of my 1040.  Where did Turbo Tax get this erronious information?

Returning Member
Mar 28, 2021 10:33:25 AM

Thanks.  I can truthfully say that I never saw this page or questioin during the interview process of entering all the expenses on any one of these prooerties. It is amazing that it did not apply to all 5.  

Returning Member
Apr 8, 2021 12:49:43 PM

2021 Return:   Turbo tax submitted a form 199A Rental Real Estate Safe Harbor Statement.    I distinctly recall reviewing this section (contradicting my entry) and answering NO for QBI, so I was surprised to see this statement in my return.   

 

Like reports for 2020 tax year, I was unable, despite over 1/2 hour, to find anyplace thru easy step where I could 'undo' this designation.    (I am using the downloaded version of TurboTax on a Mac).   

Opening FORMS, Schedule E Wks (worksheet) there is a section called Qualified Business Income Deduction Smart Worksheet.     In my return, A1 "Is this activity a qualified trade or business?"  is checked NO.    The rest of the worksheet is empty except the Schedule A Smart Worksheet.

 

Active Participant checkbox is properly checked with an "X" based on the turbo tax easy guide.  I select tenants, clean and maintain the unit (via Airbnb), but do not spend 250 hours per year in this activity (as needed for the QBI).   

 

To Remove this form, I went to FORMS, then selected the QBI form, then Turbo Tax menu (top menu - on the MAC version this pops up.; on windows it may be there continuously).    Click on FORMS, and Remove (form name). 

 

Deleting the QBI form did not change the QBI Deduction Smart Worksheet (part of Sched E Wks) box checked "No." 

 

Turbo Tax?   How is this supposed to work?   

 

Need to refile.  

 

 

Expert Alumni
Apr 11, 2021 8:19:56 AM

There are actually two questions that must be answered, so that TurboTax is clear on your decision about your rental property.  First the one about safe harbor and a second question about whether this property qualifies for the qualified business income deduction (QBID).

  1. Open your TurboTax return > Search (upper right) > Type rentals > Press enter > Click the Jump to... link
  2. When you complete the rental property and you are at the summary screen, click 'Done With Rental Property'
  3. Answer the questions on the 'Any Other Situations' screen > Continue > Continue
  4. Select 'None of these apply' on the screen 'Do you want to use a safe harbor to qualify this property for a deduction?'
  5. Select 'No, this income is not qualified, on the screen 'Is this Qualified Business Income?'

Once these steps are completed TurboTax will not allow QBID for this property.

 

For TurboTax Online the following steps can be used:

  1. Open your TurboTax return > Search (upper right) type rentals > Press enter > Click the Jump to ... link
  2. Edit next to your rental activity > Scroll to Qualified Business Income > Edit/Update >
  3. Select 'None of the above' on the Real Estate Professional page
  4. Continue to the page Do you want to use a safe harbor to qualify this property for a deduction?
  5. Select 'None of these apply' > Continue
  6. Select 'No', on the page  Is this Qualified Business Income?

New Member
Oct 10, 2021 2:12:59 PM

Please Help!  I read through what the rest of the posts talked through for this post but my issue is that I did not notice that the QBI Rental Real Estate Safe Harbor Statement & the Section 1.263(a)-1(f) were included before I filed my taxes with the IRS and they were immediately accepted. 

I have to say after reading all the other posts that this is an area that TurboTax can improve upon in the future.  If so many of the users are impacted by something we indicated as a NO, then there must be a better way to present this information.

My printer is not functioning which is why I did not notice it before filing... quite frankly I looked at the usual 1040 Sch 1 Sch A Sch D and then filed it.  Only after going to an alternate source to print it did I realize the situation.

While the dollar amount for this did not impact my overall taxes I DID NOT respond to this in the affirmative which is why I had no idea it was included. 

I am concerned that this erroneous inclusion by Turbo Tax may influence an audit or impact future years.  

Can I refile to remove those forms when there is no net change to the refund I am receiving?  


Level 1
Apr 10, 2023 9:12:03 AM

I seem to remember that at one time the safe harbor did inclue rental property as eligible for QBI.  I realize that it is not included now. Did this change or was I mistaken in the first place?

 

Expert Alumni
Apr 10, 2023 1:16:10 PM

You are not mistaken.

 

The question concerning Qualified Business Income may be found within the rental real estate activity.

 

To see whether the rental activity qualifies as qualified business income, follow these steps:

 

  • Down the left side of the screen, click on Federal.
  • Down the left side of the screen, click on Wages & income.
  • Scroll down to Rentals, Royalties, and Farm.  Select Show more.
  • Select Start / Revisit to the right of Rental Properties and Royalties.
  • At the screen Your 2022 rentals and royalties summary, you are able to view any rental or royalty activity that has been created.
  • Click Edit to the right of the rental activity.
  • At the screen Here's rental property info, scroll down to Qualified Business Income.  Click Edit to the right.
  • At the screen Let's see if you're eligible for the QBI safe harbor, answer the questions.

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