If she is 20 and she is a full-time student ---she CAN be claimed as a dependent---so she is supposed to say on her own return that she can be claimed. Dependents cannot get EIC --- or stimulus money.
WHO CAN I CLAIM AS A DEPENDENT?
You can claim a child, relative, friend, or fiancé (etc.) as a dependent on your 2021 taxes as long as they meet the following requirements:
Qualifying child
They're under the age of 19 (or 24 for full-time students).
Qualifying relative
I have a general Question? What is a "specified student" on the last 2 points on the EIC qualifications?
if she is supplying more than 1/2 of her support (unusual) then she can not be claimed as a dependent by you. and she should mark her return that she can not be claimed as a dependent. otherwise, she should indicate she's someone else's dependent and you should claim her as a dependent.
https://apps.irs.gov/app/vita/content/globalmedia/teacher/worksheet_for_determining_support_4012.pdf
I think you missed the point of my question, I am NOT claiming my 20 year old as a dependent, she pays for more than half of her living expenses. Why are full time students earning income not allowed to apply for EITC if under the age of 24?
EXACTLY, so why can she not receive EITC if under the age of 24 and I am NOT claiming her as a dependent?
According to the IRS:
"You are eligible to claim the EITC without a qualifying child if you meet all the following rules. You (and your spouse if you file a joint tax return) must:
Not be claimed as a qualifying child on anyone else's tax return
Specified Student means:
" (C) Specified student For purposes of this paragraph, the term “specified student” means, with respect to any taxable year, an individual who is an eligible student (as defined in section 25A(b)(3) ) during at least 5 calendar months during the taxable year."
I know all of this, I have looked all of this information up myself. My question is WHY can she not claim EITC if she is a specified student? If she is working and paying for more than half of her living expenses AND going to college full-time..why on earth should she not be able to claim EITC? I would think that it would be more important for a full-time working college student to get EITC than a working part-time student? It makes zero sense, and I want to understand why. I've already done the research and found all of the relevant documentation that says she can't, but nothing says why.. and it seems pretty illogical to me.
Here are the rules to claim EITC Without a Qualifying Child per irs.gov.
You are eligible to claim the EITC without a qualifying child if you meet all the following rules. You (and your spouse if you file a joint tax return) must:
Not be claimed as a qualifying child on anyone else's tax return
She falls in the last point listed. She needs to be at least 24 years old. Since it is part of the tax code, it can't be altered.
You have to ask Congress why. They write the rules. Call your congressman.
@questioning77 Congress writes the tax laws. And...you may be all worked up over very little. The amount of EIC a single person with no dependents could get would be a relatively small amount. Take a look at the chart that starts on page 33 of the EIC publication.
I'm not worked up, I just want to better understand. I think it is important to understand why laws are written and the rationale behind them. Educating myself is important to me, rather than just blindly following things that don't make sense in life. $1400 might not be much to you, but to a 20 year old full-time college student.. it's a hefty chunk of change.
Whoa! 1,400 is not the EIC. That is the 3rd Stimulus payment. You will get that if you are not a dependent. That is the Recovery Rebate Credit on line 30.
If you were a dependent on a 2020 return but filing independent for 2021 you can get it now and they don't have to pay it back. So say NO you did not get one because you didn't one, your parents got it.
The 3rd Stimulus payment is really based on 2021. The IRS just sent the checks out using 2020 to get them out fast.
See IRS Topic B first question
I would hope that anyone that does tax preparation .. ie tax accountants would know the answer to this question. They are probably likely more well versed in tax laws, then say a "congressman" would be. I was really reaching out for responses from people that should know the answer and thought there may be a few in the "turbo tax" community.
It is not the stimulus payment. Did you read the chart you just directed me to look at? If the worksheet amount is between 9,150 to 9,200 with zero dependents filing single is an EIC of $1,404 .
Sorry, you said 1,400 which is also happens to be the Stimulus payment.
No worries, I actually went in and checked just now to see exactly how her return would change.
when I say "No" to this question: Were you a full-time student for at least 5 months in 2021?
It increases her federal return by $1442 and her state return by $130
You are right if it were chump change, maybe I wouldn't care so much.. but that is a lot for a 20 year old. It also just doesn't make sense that a part-time student would be eligible for EIC when a full-time student is not... that just bothers me. I don't do well with things that don't make sense 😄
The other part of this----if her potential EIC is $1404---then she earned only a little over $9000 in 2021. And by saying she cannot be a dependent that means she paid for over half her own support on $9K? Did no one provide more support to her than that---if you use the support test?:
The rule is if the child can be claimed as a dependent they must say on their own return that they can be claimed---and they are supposed to say that even if the person who could claim them does not do so.
@VolvoGirl When you say "If you were a dependent on a 2020 return but filing independent for 2021 you can get it now and they don't have to pay it back. So say NO you did not get one because you didn't one, your parents got it."
I intended on doing this for her when filing,you sure they (me) won't have to pay it back? 🙂
@xmasbaby0 I agree, this is where it gets a little fuzzy but I would say she pays for more than half of her own support. She pays for her car, gas,car insurance, and food which in reality is more than half of what the cost of a rented one-bedroom in a house full of other people would be when splitting the cost of that room with another person. She lives with a friend.