Why sign in to the Community?

  • Submit a question
  • Check your notifications
Sign in to the Community or Sign in to TurboTax and start working on your taxes
Returning Member
posted Jul 10, 2021 6:42:27 PM

As independent contractor I was able to defer part of my SS tax for 2020. It is due in Dec. 2021. How do I tell the IRS what the payment is for when I send it in?

0 30 2515
24 Replies
Level 15
Jul 10, 2021 7:09:31 PM

The IRS knows how much you deferred. See this article for information about payment 

 

https://tax-associates.com/blog/2021/07/how-to-repay-deferred-social-security-tax/

 

Level 15
Jul 10, 2021 8:10:56 PM

The IRS has not yet provided any instructions for how to pay the deferred tax. I would be hesitant to rely on instructions posted by a two-person tax preparation firm, with no official IRS source. The first payment is not due until December. I'm sure the IRS will provide instructions before then.

 

Level 15
Jul 11, 2021 4:54:52 AM

How to repay the deferred taxes. Employers can make the deferral payments through the Electronic Federal Tax Payment System or by credit or debit card, money order or with a check. These payments must be separate from other tax payments to ensure they applied to the deferred payroll tax balance.

 

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/what-employers-need-to-know-about-repayment-of-deferred-payroll-taxes

Level 15
Jul 11, 2021 9:28:12 AM

@Critter-3  The IRS link that you posted is for employers to pay the deferred Social Security payroll tax that is owed by employees. The OP is asking how a self-employed person can pay deferred self-employment tax. But you prompted me to search the IRS web site. I found the following, which answers the OP's question and seems to be the source of the Tax Associates, Inc. post. This was just posted by the IRS a few days ago.


How self-employed individuals and household employers repay deferred Social Security tax

 

Level 3
Jul 30, 2021 5:39:56 AM

It first glance it seems to answer the question but in fact this does not answer the OPs question at all.  The IRS notice tells you where to go to make the payment but does not tell you "how" to make the payment.  If you go to EFTPS and select "deferred social security tax" as the type of payment, the next screen asks for "month" AND "year" for the tax period.  The year is 2020 but what is the month?  If you enter December (thinking a self employed person filing form 1040 has a tax period ending Dec 31) the program returns an error.  If you leave the month blank, the program also returns an error.  You could make an assumption and try some other month but I personally am leary about making asumptions about the correct procedure when it comes to dealing with the IRS. Particularly when the IRS explicitly says the payments "should be a separate payment from other tax payments to ensure they are applied correctly."  Then there is the IRS "direct pay" web portal which offers a dozen or so payment options, none of which are designated as "deferred self employment tax."  So it seems like the only safe option is to mail a paper check where you can print the words on your check "repayment of 2020 deferred self employment tax".

Level 15
Jul 30, 2021 8:44:47 AM

The link above is the only information available from the IRS.

 

Try entering 2021 as the year in EFTPS. Even though the tax is deferred from 2020, the tax is due in 2021.

 

Level 15
Jul 30, 2021 8:48:38 AM

From DoninGA.....

 

How individuals can repay the deferred taxes

Individuals can pay the deferred amount any time on or before the due date. They:

Individuals making deferred Social Security tax payments in EFTPS should select 1040 US Individual Income Tax Returns and deferred Social Security tax for the type of payment. They must apply the payment to the 2020 tax year where they deferred the payment. Taxpayers can visit EFTPS.gov for details.

 

IRS self employment tax deferred info

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-self-employed-individuals-and-household-employers-repay-deferred-social-security-tax

 

And see (starting with question 18)

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/deferral-of-employment-tax-deposits-and-payments-through-december-31-2020

Level 3
Jul 30, 2021 12:23:31 PM

Not a good idea rjs.  Entering 2021 would probably apply the payment to the wrong year.  Besides...  EFTPS still requires you to enter a month.

Level 2
Dec 26, 2021 7:14:49 AM

Has anyone found out more information on this?   I checked my social security.gov account and it does not show that I owe any money, and there is nothing there about how to repay it.  They are not making this easy.   I have found some instructions online, but there is not a way to indicate how the money I pay is to be allocated.  

Level 15
Dec 26, 2021 8:59:13 AM

Direct from the IRS 

How to pay the deferred self employment tax

How self-employed individuals and household employers repay deferred Social Security tax | Internal Revenue Service

 

The IRS website will not reflect the SS taxes owe separately to the SS administration even though they collect these taxes on their behalf.  

Level 3
Dec 26, 2021 9:37:34 AM

I got a letter fom the IRS showing the installment amounts due on the deferred SS tax.  

Level 15
Dec 26, 2021 9:39:14 AM

The self employment tax deferral was an optional benefit.  It is also a deferral rather than forgiveness, so those amounts will eventually need to be repaid. Half of the deferred amount is due on December 31, 2021, and the other half is due on December 31, 2022.

 

Check if you have a Schedule 3 line 12e which goes to 1040 line 31.

See this video on how to pay

How do I find out how much I owe in deferred taxes? 

Individuals can pay the deferred amount any time on or before the due date. They:

Individuals making deferred Social Security tax payments in EFTPS should select 1040 US Individual Income Tax Returns and deferred Social Security tax for the type of payment. They must apply the payment to the 2020 tax year where they deferred the payment. Taxpayers can visit EFTPS.gov for details.

 

Level 3
Dec 26, 2021 9:45:18 AM

Ya...  this same info and "instructions" is all over the web as well as the IRS site.  But there are still no "detailed" instructions on how exactly to pay.  "Visiting EFTPS for details" produces no details.  I even called the EFTPS help line and they too were baffled by the lack of information.

Level 15
Dec 26, 2021 9:56:26 AM
Level 3
Dec 26, 2021 10:02:54 AM

Unless you have actually tried to pay using EFTPS, you won't understand why this information is useless.

Level 15
Dec 26, 2021 10:20:49 AM

You have to set up an account in the EFTPS system which you may not be able to do so by the 12/31 deadline so your other options are to mail in a check/MO.  

Level 3
Dec 26, 2021 10:41:54 AM

I've had an account with EFTPS for years.  It's how I pay all of my estimates and any other federal taxes due.  Like I said... Try to pay your deferred SS tax and you will see what the problem is.

Level 15
Dec 26, 2021 10:46:32 AM

Then mail a check.

Level 3
Dec 26, 2021 11:24:04 AM

No kidding... LOL

Level 15
Dec 26, 2021 12:19:51 PM

On EFTPS, you must :

Ignore the "Tax Form Number" box.

Select a Tax Form: 1040 in the first pulldown.

Leave the second pulldown alone,

Click NEXT>

Level 3
Dec 26, 2021 12:28:47 PM

Correct...  Then you select "Deferred Social Security Tax" and click "next."  Then what do you select? (Hint...  You are required to select which month your payment applies to.  You can't leave this blank)

 

The point here is, if you want to pay electronically (which I assume most of us do) and given that the IRS has said it is important to designate your payment properly as "deferred social security tax," and not comingle it with other tax payments, the IRS has yet to issue clear instructions on how to do this.  It seems like the only safe way to clearly designate is to mail a paper check and writ it in the memo (assuming someone will read it).

Level 15
Dec 26, 2021 12:45:36 PM

If you are stymied as to what month to select, select DECEMBER.

 

Beyond clicking the correct Radio Button (which you already found) what more instructions could you be lacking ?

Level 3
Dec 26, 2021 1:13:10 PM

Tried that.  It will not accept December.  You can't ignore the radio button.  It won't let you proceed.

Level 2
Dec 26, 2021 4:46:54 PM

yes.. this is what I see too.  They do not make it clear how to assign the payment clearly to the deferred 2020 SS amount.   It's a lot of money to just toss out there to limbo-land to see where they might let it land.