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Level 1
posted May 12, 2021 9:34:56 AM

NYS 414h NYS rejects

My W2 says OTHER and has no dollar amount entered for box 14.  Past years I just left Box 14 blank in my tax forms but this year my forms keep being rejected.  I've tried Other for the category and also 414 IRC 414(h) Subject to NY Tax.  I've put the number 0 for my amount and left the amount blank.  No matter what I put in Box 14 my taxes are rejected.  What should I do?  I have another W2 from a private college which of course gives no problem.

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Expert Alumni
May 12, 2021 11:00:02 AM

Try deleting the W2 completely and re-entering all information manually.  Do make any entries in box 14 since there is no dollar amount. 

Level 1
May 12, 2021 12:50:12 PM

Thanks so much DMarkM1.  I just resubmitted my forms and will let the community know if your delete-then-manually fill-out idea worked.  -- Alice

Level 1
May 12, 2021 5:06:02 PM

Unfortunately the fix suggested by DMarkM1 didn't work!  I work at a public university.  In Box 14 of my W2 it says OTHER but has no dollar amount.  I've submitted my taxes at least 7 times, and they keep being rejected.  I've deleted my W2 and retyped everything manually, leaving Box 14 copletely blank.  I've put every combination of in Box 14: OTHER in Box 14, $0.0 and blank in the amount column, IRC 414(h) Subject to NY tax and blank in the category column.  I also teach at a private college, but that W2 doesn't seem to have an issue.  Is it possible the two W2s are in conflict? I'm at a complete loss.  I have simply too many pages to send NY a printed form, plus NY only wants electronic.  Does anyone have any idea of what I can do?

Expert Alumni
May 12, 2021 5:36:33 PM

Does the situation described here apply to you, would this work around be a potential solution?   New York State 414h e-file rejection  

 

If that doesn't work, please let us know in this thread (so that we see it more quickly).

 

Level 1
May 12, 2021 5:43:02 PM

Unfortunately that link doesn't work.  Could you resend it?

Expert Alumni
May 12, 2021 6:41:27 PM
Level 1
May 12, 2021 6:48:38 PM

Thanks.  That went to information already in the TurboTax software.

 

Since nothing was listed in Box 14 in my W2, should I write IRC 414(h) Subject to NY tax?

Expert Alumni
May 12, 2021 6:57:11 PM

I would give that a try next, yes. 

 

It seems something else on the W-2 may be triggering it to expect something here, if this is what is being highlighted as the problem , and this issue seems to be the more common one I could find anything about. 

 

Does it specifically identify that this W-2 is causing the issue?  What error code is coming with your reject and what other information (If any) is the program giving you?   

 

 

Level 1
May 12, 2021 7:05:48 PM

Here's the error message I've received from TurboTax in all of my rejection emails:

 

R0103 - Public employee 414(h) retirement contribution not equal to amount on W-2

Level 1
May 12, 2021 7:08:08 PM

I keep updating my W2 in my federal return.  Is there a place within TurboTax to update in my NY State return as well?

Expert Alumni
May 12, 2021 7:17:50 PM

It sounds like it is likely referring to a number in Box 12.  Is there a number there with Code E or Code G beside it?  This would be the number that it wants to see in Box 14 with the selection "NY IRC 414(h) Subject to NY tax" selection in the drop down box. (Logically, anyway.) 

 

Unfortunately, I can't "test" this one for you before making suggestions since I can't simulate an actual e-filed return.   I will, however, be around a while more this evening to keep checking back! 

 

You are correct to make these changes in the federal entry area (even though that return is already filed) so that they will flow to NY.  These changes, related to Box 14, won't affect anything on your accepted federal return.  

Level 1
May 12, 2021 7:28:08 PM

Yes!  There is a code E in Box 12 with a number next to it.  Should I keep the code E and number in box 12 and repeat the number in Box 14 with the Subject to NY tax label?  Will I not be taxed twice then?

Level 1
May 12, 2021 7:42:32 PM

I tried putting the number next to E in Box 12, without deleting it from Box 12, and that basically doubled the NYS tax I owe.

 

If I delete the number next to E in Box 12, then the form I file will look completely different from the official W2 I received.

 

I therefore don't believe adding the Box 12 E number to Box 14 is the correction.  What do you think?

Expert Alumni
May 12, 2021 7:49:36 PM

I was just digging around to see if the "Subject to Tax" (which will raise the tax, but is correct in doing so) or the "tax-exempt" is more appropriate.


The list below includes the plans that would require selection of Subject to Tax.   The reason for this, as that these plans are  not subject to New York state tax upon withdrawal.

 

  • A member of the New York State and Local Retirement systems, which include the New York State Employees' Retirement System and the New York State Police and Fire Retirement System.
     
  • A member of the New York State Teachers' Retirement System.
     
  • An employee of the State or City University of New York who belongs to the Optional Retirement Program.
     
  • A member of the New York City Employees' Retirement System, the New York City Teachers' Retirement System, the New York City Board of Education Retirement System, the New York City Police Pension Fund, or the New York City Fire Department Pension Fund.
     
  • A member of the Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority (MABSTOA).

If none of the above apply to you, select the "tax exempt" option, it may not be possible to e-file but I am not 100% confident that this is the case, so I would give it a try anyway.

Level 1
May 12, 2021 7:51:57 PM

I am in the list that is subject to tax.  But if the dollar amount is both in Box 12 and Box 14 I am being taxed twice.

Level 1
May 12, 2021 7:53:33 PM

I made pre-tax contributions to my retirement account out of my salary but my college didn't contribute anything.  That's why there's a number in Box 12 and no number in Box 14.

Level 1
May 12, 2021 8:06:00 PM

If I have to print my forms, what forms do I print?  With all the worksheets, etc. there easily could be 50 or more pages.  Can I just print the actual Forms and Schedules?  Would I also need to include all the Schedules from my federal taxes?

Expert Alumni
May 12, 2021 8:07:54 PM

In Box 12, it is subtracted from your federal income, but not always from state.  Are Box 1 and Box 16 different?  If so by an amount similar to the pre-tax contribution?   (There can be other things in that difference, so it may not be exact). 

 

If Box 16 is less than Box 1 by the contribution amount (or roughly), then it's likely it's just adding it back for NY purposes - which is what I would expect it to do.  

 

If you don't mind, you can send me a "scrubbed" version of the data in your return (replaces all personal info with placeholders) by going to Tools, then Tax Tools, and selecting "Send File to Agent" in the pop up box.  


That will give you a six digit code that is safe to post here and will allow me to see the numbers to see if I can make any sense of them. 

If it's taxing you twice this way, then I think the return will have to go by mail.  If it's only adding back to the NY taxable income the amount then it's not - but that only works out right if the Box 16 number was adjusted (which is typically how it works, but there are always situations that aren't typical.)

 

 

 

Expert Alumni
May 12, 2021 8:22:14 PM

New York does not require a copy of your federal return.  The easiest way to get the right set of forms for mailing (minus any extras that aren't necessary) is to print from the Print Center (and not the filing screen).

 

Print Center is located in the Tax Tools menu on the left side of the program.  In Print Center there is an option to select "All official forms for filing" and then you would just select the New York return only.  It will look similar to this:

 

Level 1
May 12, 2021 8:31:54 PM

Box 1 and 16 are the same, though they are both much less than Box 3.  Box 1 (or 16) + Box 12 = Box 3.  I'll see if I can send you the redacted form.

Level 1
May 12, 2021 8:36:20 PM

There are no Tax Tools in the pull-down menu under Tools.  Is there another way I can send you the scrubbed  form?

Expert Alumni
May 12, 2021 8:44:13 PM

If Box 1 and Box 16 are the same, then the adjustment that is being made when the entry is made in Box 14 appears to be correct - it's adding the pre-tax (federal) deduction back to the NY income (where it's not deductible.)   

 

The difference between Box 1 and 3 is where we see that contribution (and likely other things) deducted from your federal income, as the deduction doesn't "count" for social security tax purposes.    

 

For the scrubbed file - does your program have an "Online" menu instead?  Send tax file to agent is located there in desktop versions of the program. 

 

 

Level 1
May 12, 2021 8:44:45 PM

Thanks. I see how to print the NY forms only,

Level 1
May 12, 2021 8:47:12 PM

Yes, it does have Online.  I just sent you the form.