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posted Jun 4, 2019 10:31:46 PM

How do I enter minister's housing allowance, as a retired minister, when I do not receive a w-2 form?

I am a retired minister and do not receive a w-2 form. I do receive a 1099-R  but do not know how to enter housing allowance expenditures which has effect on my total 1099-R distribution.

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Level 2
Jun 4, 2019 10:31:47 PM

You need to designate a portion of your retirement for housing allowance, just as you did when you were an active minister.  Revenue Ruling 75-22 allows denominational pension boards to designate a housing allowance for retired ministers receiving income. Retired ministers may ask their board to designate up to 100% of their retirement income as housing, but retired ministers must continue to follow the housing allowance rules and limits as when they were active.

Once you reduce the pension amount by the housing allowance, only the difference will be taxable.  If your 1099-R reports only the pension and excludes the housing allowance, all you need to do is enter your 1099-R and you're finished.

However, if the pension does include the housing allowance, the entry for your housing allowance depends on if box 2b (taxable amount not determined) on your 1099-R is checked or not.  The taxable difference of the pension and excluded housing allowance will have to be manually entered in the 1099-R interview questions.

  1. If your Form 1099-R has Box 2b checked, then to claim a housing allowance for retired clergy, enter a taxable amount in Box 2a of the 1099-R data entry screen in TurboTax. To compute the taxable amount, subtract the allowable housing expenses from the pension amount.  If the housing expenses exceed the pension, enter a zero in Box 2a.
  2. If Box 2b is not checked, please enter the 1099-R exactly as it appears on the form. This will cause the full amount to show as taxable. You will make your adjustment in Other Income, following the instructions below:
  • Open your Federal return and choose Wages & Income
  • Scroll down to Less Common Income and Show more
  • Choose Miscellaneous Income, 1099-A, 1099-C
  • Choose Other reportable income, and Start or Revisit
  • Select ‘yes’ and you will be prompted to enter Description and amount. Enter the description "Retired Minister Housing Allowance," and enter the amount as a negative number.   At this point, the form 1040 will show your full pension as taxable, but the negative adjustment on Line 21 for your housing allowance will remove it from taxation.

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Level 2
Jun 4, 2019 10:31:47 PM

You need to designate a portion of your retirement for housing allowance, just as you did when you were an active minister.  Revenue Ruling 75-22 allows denominational pension boards to designate a housing allowance for retired ministers receiving income. Retired ministers may ask their board to designate up to 100% of their retirement income as housing, but retired ministers must continue to follow the housing allowance rules and limits as when they were active.

Once you reduce the pension amount by the housing allowance, only the difference will be taxable.  If your 1099-R reports only the pension and excludes the housing allowance, all you need to do is enter your 1099-R and you're finished.

However, if the pension does include the housing allowance, the entry for your housing allowance depends on if box 2b (taxable amount not determined) on your 1099-R is checked or not.  The taxable difference of the pension and excluded housing allowance will have to be manually entered in the 1099-R interview questions.

  1. If your Form 1099-R has Box 2b checked, then to claim a housing allowance for retired clergy, enter a taxable amount in Box 2a of the 1099-R data entry screen in TurboTax. To compute the taxable amount, subtract the allowable housing expenses from the pension amount.  If the housing expenses exceed the pension, enter a zero in Box 2a.
  2. If Box 2b is not checked, please enter the 1099-R exactly as it appears on the form. This will cause the full amount to show as taxable. You will make your adjustment in Other Income, following the instructions below:
  • Open your Federal return and choose Wages & Income
  • Scroll down to Less Common Income and Show more
  • Choose Miscellaneous Income, 1099-A, 1099-C
  • Choose Other reportable income, and Start or Revisit
  • Select ‘yes’ and you will be prompted to enter Description and amount. Enter the description "Retired Minister Housing Allowance," and enter the amount as a negative number.   At this point, the form 1040 will show your full pension as taxable, but the negative adjustment on Line 21 for your housing allowance will remove it from taxation.

Level 1
Aug 16, 2019 9:59:50 PM

@KittyM Regarding "Revenue Ruling 75-22" and Minister's Housing Allowance in retirement:  I am currently invested in a 403B9 with my denomination's church retirement plan with Guidestone.  If I convert the 403B9 to another retirement plan, such as a 403B7 Church Plan with a commercial vendor, does the housing allowance tax free retirement income benefit still apply?  Or does it only apply to the originating plan that designated the housing allowance?  

Level 2
Feb 20, 2020 8:59:50 PM

This answer looks like what I have done on other systems, but the path specified for a 2018 return does not work for a 2019 return.  Can't find the titles specified, they are a little different and can't find the two forms mentioned (1099-A, 1099-C).

New Member
Mar 13, 2020 12:48:57 PM

I couldn't get the first solution to work, but going in to add it as a misc other income as if 2b wasn't checked finally did the trick, and the 1040 looks correct now when I look at it in forms.  Wish Turbo Tax would just ask the question somewhere if a person is retired clergy, like they ask for other income.

New Member
Mar 17, 2020 9:39:28 AM

This method does exclude retirement income used as minister's housing from 1040; however, how do you add it back in for Schedule SE?  It does not show up when I use this method.

Expert Alumni
Mar 17, 2020 2:21:26 PM

Generally retirement pension income from a retired Clergy member is not subject to Self-Employment tax. If however you still perform weddings, baptisms, or other events for paid compensation, then these services become earned income and are subject to income taxes as well as SE taxes. 

Returning Member
Mar 18, 2020 9:54:03 AM

I receive a Housing Allowance as a Ret

Expert Alumni
Mar 18, 2020 1:18:48 PM

The housing allowance would not be subject to self-employment tax if it was pension income.

Returning Member
Apr 13, 2020 2:39:41 PM

We have used this method for many years and it worked fine. This year we are getting a review error to enter information for the simplified method of calculating the taxable amount. We have selected "general method", but still has review error for the simplified method and won't let us file without correcting. What do we need to do to fix this?

Expert Alumni
Apr 14, 2020 8:10:22 PM

Please review this IRS link that explains the difference between using the simplified method vs general. If you select that your annuity payment is from a Qualified Plan, you must use the simplified method per IRS rules. Recheck your entries to determine if you may have indicated that this annuity distribution is from a qualified plan. 

  1. Go to federal>wages and income>retirement income>Ira>401k>pension plan withdrawals(1099R) update
  2. Edit the 1099R and scroll through the questions until you reach a screen that asks Where did this distribution come from? Indicate it came from a non-qualified plan. If this doesn't work, you may wish to contact a specialist that can work through that section of the return with you. The specialists can look at your return on their screen to find out exactly what is causing this issue and suggest how you can take corrective action if needed.

 

 

Level 1
Apr 28, 2020 6:58:42 PM

I have followed these instructions.

Box 2b is checked.

My allowable expenses result in a zero balance.

Does this method then also exclude this income from SE tax computation?

 

Level 2
Apr 29, 2020 7:52:14 AM

It is my understanding that retirement income for a minister does not make its way to SE.  This would be true even if you don't spend your entire housing allowance for housing expenses.  If you don't spend it all, the remainder is taxable for income tax purposes but not for schedule SE.  It is not earned income.  Someone above mentioned that if you are still doing things like funerals and weddings, these items would be taxable for both income tax and schedule SE.

Level 1
Apr 30, 2020 12:35:59 PM

Thank you!

This is helpful confirmation.

Level 2
Feb 14, 2021 3:42:50 PM

I did this for 2019 and it worked fine.  I was on my way to doing it for 2020 and something went wrong.  I followed the instructions and was able to enter the housing as a negative.  It did not appear to work so I tried it again it was more than successful.  It took the allowance off both in the W-2 wages (of which I had none) and in the "Other Income or loss" (where it did it last year).  I went back and removed the item (only appeared to be one).  That got rid of the entry under "Other Income or Loss" but not the one under W-2 income.  I am pretty sure that is going to result in the return being screwed up even though the total income might in fact be correct.  Trying everything I can see, I can't locate the amount anywhere in the W-2 section.  The way my return came out last year appeared to be like what I had done in the past.  I still haven't figured out how to see a preliminary 1040 since I still have some brokerage stuff to enter.

Expert Alumni
Feb 15, 2021 12:01:33 PM

See How do I preview my TurboTax Online return before filing? You are correct the retirement housing allowance is not subject to SE. However, current income, like weddings and funerals, would be subject to the SE. 

 

@jwboyesjr732

Returning Member
Feb 8, 2023 7:18:12 AM

This is the first year that I'm filing as a retired Minister of the Gospel. I've followed your instructions based on my 1099-R box 2b being checked. Is there anywhere in TurboTax or any situation that I will need to enter or show receipts for the housing expenses I'm claiming? I have the receipts, I'm just not sure if I need them or not.

Thanks.

Expert Alumni
Feb 8, 2023 7:32:52 AM

Yes, you need to keep your receipts for the housing expenses.  The IRS allows a housing allowance to retired ministers to the extent the recipient can justify the amount. Should you receive more than you can justify, the excess should be considered taxable.

 

You do not have to make any entry if you paid in expenses for your housing more than you received from the church as a housing allowance.

  • Actual housing expenses (including mortgage payments, utilities, property taxes, insurance, furnishings, repairs and improvements); or. The fair rental value of the home (furnished, including utilities).

If you believe you received more in housing allowance than you can show in expenses you can report the excess using the steps below.

  1. Open your Federal return and choose Wages and Income
  2. Scroll down to Less Common Income and Show more
  3. Choose Miscellaneous Income, 1099-A, 1099-C
  4. Scroll to choose Other reportable income, and Start/Revisit
  5. Select Yes and you will be prompted to enter Description and amount. Enter the description "Retired Minister Excess Housing Allowance," and enter the amount.   

@d_reb 

New Member
Apr 12, 2023 2:55:33 PM

Thanks. I like this answer better than the one given by TurboTax