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New Member
posted Feb 18, 2025 5:16:19 PM

Is anyone having problems with TT's calculation of the underpayment of tax? I don't think it's accounting for an estimated payment I made.

I don't think TT is correctly calculating my underpayment of tax. The rule is you need to pay the lesser of either last year's tax or 90% of this year's total tax. Failure to do so results in penalty. I under-withheld during the year but made an estimated tax payment to make up the difference. The software does not seem to account for the payment estimate.

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Level 8
Feb 18, 2025 5:43:55 PM

the penalty assumption is your tax liability occurs evenly throughout the year, and your quarterly estimated tax payments need to be made evenly throughout the year to line up with it.  underpayment penalty is assessed on that quarterly basis not annual total.

 

if you made a large Q4 estimated tax payment you may have made it to the safe harbor total (90% in your case), but possibly underpaid for Q1, Q2 etc and if so that's the calculation TT is doing.

 

if you genuinely have a large Q4 tax event and associated estimated tax payment, like a Roth conversion or large capital gain, you can use Form 2210 "annualized income" method to convey the uneven nature.

 

on desktop TT in forms mode you can click thru the penalty on Form 1040 to a Form 1040 worksheet and click again thru to a Form 2210 worksheet which should show the calculation.  not sure the equivalent in TT online but if you get your PDF with "all forms and worksheets" it may show the calculation, or others can chime in.

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Level 15
Feb 18, 2025 5:42:55 PM

 Did you enter the estimated payments you made into your tax return? 

 

Go to Federal>Deductions and Credits>Estimates and Other Taxes Paid>Other Income Taxes 

Level 8
Feb 18, 2025 5:43:55 PM

the penalty assumption is your tax liability occurs evenly throughout the year, and your quarterly estimated tax payments need to be made evenly throughout the year to line up with it.  underpayment penalty is assessed on that quarterly basis not annual total.

 

if you made a large Q4 estimated tax payment you may have made it to the safe harbor total (90% in your case), but possibly underpaid for Q1, Q2 etc and if so that's the calculation TT is doing.

 

if you genuinely have a large Q4 tax event and associated estimated tax payment, like a Roth conversion or large capital gain, you can use Form 2210 "annualized income" method to convey the uneven nature.

 

on desktop TT in forms mode you can click thru the penalty on Form 1040 to a Form 1040 worksheet and click again thru to a Form 2210 worksheet which should show the calculation.  not sure the equivalent in TT online but if you get your PDF with "all forms and worksheets" it may show the calculation, or others can chime in.

New Member
Feb 19, 2025 6:15:57 PM

I did, yes. It was one estimated payment in Q4 made just after receipt of a year end bonus.

New Member
Feb 19, 2025 6:22:19 PM

BINGO. That did the trick. My employer provides substantial end of year bonus in Q4 (anywhere from 25% to multiples of employee salary) and the payment estimate was made at the same time. Thanks!!