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Level 3
posted Sep 15, 2020 5:28:36 PM

How to enter Non deductible expenses?

I have expenses I paid for out of my company account, which is not deductible.  These aren't your typical 50% of meals. These are things like an entire meal that I don't proper documentation for so I'm not going to deduct it at all.  Since I'm doing a balance sheet this affects the income reconciliation.  

I've read that using forms mode I can just adjust the values, however, in order to adjust the retained earnings, I have to click the checkbox that prevents M-2 from being filled out.  So I'm sort of stuck since I assuming I need to fill out M-2 since I have undistributed earnings in the companies bank account.   I'm new to all this so I might be missing something.  Thanks for your help.  Trying to get this thing submitted tonight. 

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Level 15
Sep 15, 2020 6:16:09 PM


@B0555555 wrote:

....I'm sort of stuck since I assuming I need to fill out M-2 since I have undistributed earnings in the companies bank account. 


The link below (albeit for different software) provides an explanation of the adjustments made when the AAA distribution amount differs from that entered into the program.

 

https://kb.drakesoftware.com/Site/Browse/11549/1120S-AAA-Distributions

 

I doubt it will be illuminating but it is rather difficult to provide any direction with respect to balance sheet issues without seeing the entire return.

Level 3
Sep 15, 2020 6:39:21 PM

Sorry, I'm an s corp and the expenses were for meals that I don't have proper records for so I can't claim them as deductible per the IRS rules.  One item is a gift I bought for an employee for doing a good job, which I later learned is not deductible.  That's about it. 

 

 I'm not trying to claim anything regarding these purchases on my business or personal return.  The only place this appears to come in to play is reconciling my income statement/balance sheet in TT. 

 

From what I gather, it appears I should simply add these additional expenses to the M-1 Worksheet so things reconcile.   Does that sound right? 

 

Thanks for the help. 

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Level 15
Sep 15, 2020 5:41:27 PM

I have expenses I paid for out of my company account, which is not deductible

There are so many ways to interpret your post, I don't know where to begin.

What kind of business? Sole proprietorship? Single member LLC? Multi-member LLC? S-Corp? C-Corp? Partnership? Something else?

What expenses? Business expenses? Personal expenses? Maybe it's an unqualified reimbursement?

Where are you trying to claim this deduction? Your personal tax return? The SCH C on your personal tax return? On a 1065 Partnership return? Maybe an 1120 or 1120-S corporate return?

Without more details, I've have to write a novel to cover all the possibilities.

 

Level 15
Sep 15, 2020 6:16:09 PM


@B0555555 wrote:

....I'm sort of stuck since I assuming I need to fill out M-2 since I have undistributed earnings in the companies bank account. 


The link below (albeit for different software) provides an explanation of the adjustments made when the AAA distribution amount differs from that entered into the program.

 

https://kb.drakesoftware.com/Site/Browse/11549/1120S-AAA-Distributions

 

I doubt it will be illuminating but it is rather difficult to provide any direction with respect to balance sheet issues without seeing the entire return.

Level 3
Sep 15, 2020 6:39:21 PM

Sorry, I'm an s corp and the expenses were for meals that I don't have proper records for so I can't claim them as deductible per the IRS rules.  One item is a gift I bought for an employee for doing a good job, which I later learned is not deductible.  That's about it. 

 

 I'm not trying to claim anything regarding these purchases on my business or personal return.  The only place this appears to come in to play is reconciling my income statement/balance sheet in TT. 

 

From what I gather, it appears I should simply add these additional expenses to the M-1 Worksheet so things reconcile.   Does that sound right? 

 

Thanks for the help. 

Level 3
Sep 15, 2020 7:14:45 PM

Thanks.  I'm pouring through it.  Is what I proposed in my last comment a reasonable thing to do?  

 

 

Level 15
Sep 15, 2020 7:22:02 PM

Yes, it sounds reasonable given the time constraints (i.e., you need to get the return submitted tonight).

Level 3
Sep 15, 2020 7:50:16 PM

Thanks.  Regardless of when the return it gets submitted, is that the correct way to do it in TT?  That was the only way I could find it was possible since the GUI didn't gave me an option to add it anywhere.  Just wondering since you're response might suggest there might be a better way.  Sorry if I'm misinterpreting your response.  Thanks again for your help. 

Level 15
Sep 15, 2020 8:00:26 PM

No, I am not sure whether or not there is a better way without actually looking at it, but your approach certainly appears to be a reasonable one.

Returning Member
Jan 28, 2024 1:08:30 PM

If it was a non-deductible expense, could you not just take it as a distribution to shareholder?

Level 8
Jan 28, 2024 1:35:29 PM

Yes, you can. See HERE under "Basic Calculation step" and "Under Important things you should know".