Form 5405 is for a First Time Homebuyer's Credit repayment. Did you receive a Homebuyer's credit on a house purchased in 2008 or 2009?
Was your e-filed tax return rejected by the IRS? If so, what is the rejection code and message?
bought the house in 09 foreclosed in 14
Description of error:
The e-File database indicates a First Time Homebuyer Installment Payment is due for the Primary SSN. A Form 1040 must be filed, with the repayment amount included on Form 1040, Line 60b or Form 5405 must be attached to Form 1040.
What needs to be done:
IRS database indicates that an installment payment is due for the First Time Homebuyer Installment Payment. This payment amount should be included on the return you efiled. The IRS has provided a direct online lookup tool to view the First Time Homebuyer Information. To access this lookup tool, copy and paste the following URL link into your browser window. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/irfof-fthb/">https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/irfof-fthb/</a> After you have made the appropriate changes, re-submit this return electronically. If the reject continues, you will need to file this return via U.S. mail.
Did you claim the rest of the repayment on your 2014 return?
@xtrallence I assume you're thanking @DoninGA, although I myself am the widow of a military man.
See this TurboTax support FAQ for entering a Form 5405 on your tax return - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1901522-how-do-i-add-or-remove-form-5405-for-the-first-time-homebuyer-credit">https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1901522-how-do-i-add-or-remove-form-5405-for-the-first-time-homebuyer-credit</a>
See this TurboTax support FAQ for the IRS error code IND-147 - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/3635986-reject-code-ind-147-the-e-file-database-indicates-a-first-time-homebuyer-installment-payment-is-due-for-the-primary-ssn-include-amount-on-firsttimehmbyrrepaymentamt-of-the-return">https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/3635986-reject-code-ind-147-the-e-file-database-indicates-a-first-time-homebuyer-installment-payment-is-due-for-the-primary-ssn-include-amount-on-firsttimehmbyrrepaymentamt-of-the-return</a>
Look up the amount you owe on the IRS website - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://sa.www4.irs.gov/irfof-fthb/">https://sa.www4.irs.gov/irfof-fthb/</a>
Or if you received an IRS CP03C Notice - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.irs.gov/individuals/understanding-your-cp03c-notice">https://www.irs.gov/individuals/understanding-your-cp03c-notice</a>
Thank you, i found out what I must do. I just now need to figure out how to do it.
So the problem is that you needed to fill out form 5405 on your 2014 tax return when you foreclosed. That would either require immediate repayment in full of the remaining credit, or no repayment, depending on the circumstances. Either way, you are relieved of all future responsibility. Turbotax in 2015 and 2016 allowed you to make a payment, but for 2017 the program is more careful to ask when you moved out. Since you moved out in 2014, you don't owe a payment for 2017.
You need to go back to your 2014 return and file an amended return that includes form 5405. In the first time home buyer section, you will indicate that you sold or moved out. Answer questions about the circumstances. The form will calculate whether you owe repayment of the credit or if the credit is forgiven.
Then for 2015 and 2016 you can file amended returns to get a refund of the $500 payment you didn't need to make.
For 2017, you don't owe a payment, but you can't e-file without it because the IRS still has you on record owing a payment. So print and mail your return (without form 5405 and without a repayment).
I am not a first time home buyer why do I have to fill this out I only rent apartment
@Decuire23 wrote:
I am not a first time home buyer why do I have to fill this out I only rent apartment
You are jumping into the end of a very long and old discussion.
Are you saying that your tax return is being rejected for not including a first time homebuyer repayment, but you did not buy a home or use the credit in 2008? What about your spouse or any dependents, did they use the credit in 2008?
error says" i have to add first time buyers repay payment amount which is 500$" copy??
If you took advantage of the 2008 First-Time Homebuyer Credit (which was actually an interest-free loan), you'll repay it in equal portions for 15 years, starting with your 2010 tax return.
Your repayment is an additional tax that will either lower your refund or increase your tax bill through tax year 2025. If you got the full $7500 credit, the additional tax is $500 per year; otherwise, if you got less than that, your repayment is 6.66% of the total loan amount.
To get to this section in TurboTax, search for homebuyer credit in your TurboTax program and select the Jump to link in the search results. Then, answer yes, enter the date your home was purchased, and follow the on-screen instructions. We'll calculate the tax and handle the rest, including adding Form 5405 to your return. Then you can resubmit your tax return for e-filing.
How do I add or remove Form 5405 for the first-time homebuyer credit? @cmuirbiggs
I am try to fill out form 5405! I bought a home on 03/14/2008 for 221,000.00 and had to short sell the home and was bought on 11/02/2011 and it sold for 154,000.00 so as you can see I had a loss I received the 7,500.00 and have paid 2000.00 of it back! So how do I fill out this form! Help!
@Littlebit196868 Per Champ @Opus17:
"If you sold the home in a year before 2020, the interview will not let you make a $500 payment and it will kick you out. This is because you were required to file form 5405 in the year that you sold the home to report the sale. In most cases, you will owe a full repayment of the remaining credit, unless you sold the home for a loss."
Since you sold the home in 2011 at a loss, you can skip entering Form 5405 in 2020. Save your Sale Records that show you sold the home at a loss.
It's too late to Amend your 2011 return to report the sale.
Click this link for more info on How to Remove Form 5405.
@Littlebit196868 wrote:
I am try to fill out form 5405! I bought a home on 03/14/2008 for 221,000.00 and had to short sell the home and was bought on 11/02/2011 and it sold for 154,000.00 so as you can see I had a loss I received the 7,500.00 and have paid 2000.00 of it back! So how do I fill out this form! Help!
You were required to report the sale on your 2011 tax return using form 5405 at that time. If it was a short sale, you owed no additional payments after that time.
If you did file form 5405 in 2011, then you have never owed a repayment, and you should not have told a tax preparer or Turbotax to make a payment. You may be able to amend to get a refund of excess payments (see below).
If you never filed form 5405 in 2011, then the IRS still thinks you owe a payment. You need to file an amended return for 2011 that reports the short sale, even though it is too late to get a refund if one is calculated. You can't e-file for 2020 if the IRS thinks you owe a payment, so you will have to file by mail. The IRS may still take an extra $250 or $500 from your refund, but there is a way to get that back.
After filing the amended 2011 return to report the sale of the home, you can file amended returns for 2017, 2018 and 2019 to claim a refund of the repayment you made in those years. (The deadline to file the amended 2017 return is April 15, 2021, so don't sit on this.). If the IRS adjusts your 2020 refund to take out a payment, you can file an amended return to get it back, after the IRS has processed the amended 2011 return and recorded the closeout of the credit.
You will need to find a tax professional, or download the 2011 forms and instructions and prepare the amended return yourself, because Turbotax does not support software that old.
You don't owe a payment in 2020, but you can't e-file without making a payment, so file by mail. The IRS may even
@MarilynG1 wrote:
@Littlebit196868 Per Champ @Opus17:
"If you sold the home in a year before 2020, the interview will not let you make a $500 payment and it will kick you out. This is because you were required to file form 5405 in the year that you sold the home to report the sale. In most cases, you will owe a full repayment of the remaining credit, unless you sold the home for a loss."
Since you sold the home in 2011 at a loss, you can skip entering Form 5405 in 2020. Save your Sale Records that show you sold the home at a loss.
It's too late to Amend your 2011 return to report the sale.
Click this link for more info on How to Remove Form 5405.
@MarilynG1 I believe a 2011 amended return is still required to report the sale, even though no refund would be paid, if one was calculated on the amended return. Also, the taxpayer can probably amend for 2017, 2018 and 2019 to get any excess payments back.
It might be possible to file the 2011 form 5405 as a stand-alone form, but I would want to talk to a professional about that first. If the taxpayer doesn't close out the credit properly, the IRS will continue to think they owe a payment until the credit has been repaid in full, which is not required in the case of selling at a loss.
Form 5405 (Repayment of the First-Time Homebuyer Credit) figures the repayment amount (actually, an additional tax) for the 2008 First-Time Homebuyer Credit. The 5405 is also used to notify the IRS that the home was disposed of or ceased to be your main home.
Here's how to enter — or delete — Form 5405:
@Darbear wrote:
S2-F1040-147
The IRS database indicates a First Time Homebuyer Installment Payment is due for the Primary SSN
Click on Federal on the left side of the online program screen
Click on Deductions & Credits
Under Your Home
On Homebuyer Credit Repayment, click on start
@Darbear wrote:
S2-F1040-147
The IRS thinks you owe a repayment of the credit.
If you got the credit in 2008 and you still live in that home, you need to make a repayment.
If you never got the credit you need to file by mail and contact the Taxpayer Advocate service to remove the faulty database record.
If you got the credit in 2008 and you moved out some time in the past, your move was supposed to be reported at the time. When you moved out, you were supposed to report the move and repay the remaining credit in full, unless there was some special circumstance. If you reported your move out, the database may not have been correctly updated. If you never reported moving out, you may need to file an amended return, and you may have been overpaying your credit since then. You would need to post more specific details so we can assist.