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New Member
posted May 31, 2019 5:46:00 PM

I moved out of California Jan 2011 and started working in another state but I received Payment notice in 2016 that I have to pay amount for tax year 2011. Please advise?

On what bases are is the California income tax when I moved out of state and made no money in 2011? 

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Level 15
May 31, 2019 5:46:02 PM

DId you have any income of any type while in California in 2011?

New Member
May 31, 2019 5:46:04 PM

No I did not. I moved out in Dec 2010 and have been out of California ever since. I did file my taxes for 2010 promptly. Thank you for the response.

Level 15
May 31, 2019 5:46:06 PM

Does the notice you received from California indicate the income that you are supposed be paying taxes on for 2011?  If not, there should be a phone number in the notice for calling if you have any questions.  The state can be incorrect in assuming that you CA sourced income for 2011.

Level 15
May 31, 2019 5:46:12 PM

If you had no income of any kind, then instead of fighting the residency determination, you could just file a return with zero income and owing zero taxes.  However, the notice may indicate some CA-source income that you forgot about, like a last paycheck, or bank interest, or sale of a home or other asset. If you were not a CA resident according to publication 1031 but did have CA source income, you owe CA tax on that CA source income using a non-resident return.

New Member
May 31, 2019 5:46:12 PM

No it does not show the income for which I am supposed to pay taxes towards. The letter I received says "Final Notice before levy and lien". It includes taxes, penalty, interest and collection fee. This is surprising as its the first letter I received in years. All its got is how this might effect me and the collection details and a table with tax year (2011) Penalty code (A-Failure to file a return by due date) and each payment amounts.

Level 15
May 31, 2019 5:46:14 PM

OK, I want you to understand this is VERY VERY BAD.  It means, among other things, that FTB has sent you several other notices that you either ignored, or were sent to the wrong address.  It also means that if you don't reply and pay up now (or get the debt removed by proving they are wrong) it will go on your credit report as a bad debt and go to a collections agency.

I strong suggest hiring a professional to get you out of this.  Look for an accountant who is also an "enrolled agent", that means an accountant licensed to practice before the IRS.  (This is not the IRS, but an enrolled agent will be someone who specializes in tax matters.)  Interview several and find one who is willing to work with CA even though you are out of state.  Also find out how much they will charge -- if the state amount owed is smaller than the accountant's fee, you might just want to pay it ("easy money" vs "hard money").

If you want to fight yourself, respond immediately with a letter that says the following:
1. You never received any prior notices. This is the first notice you recieved.  Ask that all future correspondence be sent to your current address.
2. You were not a resident of CA for 2011.  Include a timeline of when you moved out, include proof like your apartment lease or home purchase when you moved.  Focus on the definition of "domicile"  in publication 1031 -- you moved out of California, established a permanent residence elsewhere, cut your ties to CA, and did not maintain a presence or plan to move back.
3. You had no CA-source income for 2011 that you are aware of.  Ask them for proof of CA source income.
4. If you had no income at all for 2011 from any state and did not file a return, point that out.  If you did have income for 2011 and filed an IRS return and a state return for where you lived, point that out and include copies.
5. Ask for the deadline on the final levy to be extended while your appeal is considered and so that you and FTB can have proper discussion of the allegations they are making.

After you write the letter, send it certified mail.  

Then call the FTB and see if you can find someone who can tell you what is going on.  But send the letter first so it's on file officially.

You might want to request an IRS "wage and income transcript" for 2011, to see if the IRS has any income on record for you and if some of it might be CA source.  You might be able to get the transcript online, or order it by mail if 2011 is too old for the online system. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-return-transcript-types-and-ways-to-order-them">https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-return-transcript-types-and-ways-to-order-them</a>

Depending on the amount, it might not be worth fighting or hiring an expert.  But if you are in doubt, hire an expert.

Level 15
May 31, 2019 5:46:17 PM

If you are a "resident" of California for 2011, you owe income tax on your income even if it was earned out of state.  You are a CA resident if you are "domiciled" there, even if you are temporarily out of state.  See these links,

https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2015/15_1031.pdf

https://www.ftb.ca.gov/individuals/fileRtn/Nonresidents_PartYear_Residents.shtml

You will need to reply to the letter with proof that you were not "domiciled" in California for any part of 2011.  If, according to their rules, you were domiciled in California, whether for part or all of the year,, you unfortunately will owe them a part-year or full-year tax return.  You should, however, be able to take a credit for any 2011 tax you paid in another state, which would reduce your CA bill.