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Level 5
posted Mar 4, 2022 12:19:15 AM

CA underpayment penalty not populated and cannot get turbotax to ask

I am trying to get turbotax to calculate what my CA state underpayment penalty may be.  In the federal section, turbotax asked me if I had an exception (no) and then I filled out the info and it calculated my penalty based on uneven income during 2021.  I am trying to get turbotax to do the same for CA state, but it never asks me any questions.  I know that there are exemptions and I do not fall under the exemptions to the penalty, so I would rather calculate it and minimize my penalty.  If I do not, the the state will send me a bill based on the most unfavorable assumptions and it will cost me an additional several hundred dollars.  I know that turbotax has a flaw, because in the past, I have received a bill from my state for underpayment of taxes even though turbotax didnt ask to calculate the penalty.  So how do I force turbotax to calculate the CA state underpayment penalty so I can minimize the impact???????

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Level 5
Mar 4, 2022 1:11:59 AM

More info.   I must choose the annualized installment method, otherwise I have to pay a penalty.  How do I know this?  Because I did the form 5805 manually.  So I want to get the form 5805 populated with the annualized installment method info so I dont have to pay a penalty.  I did the same with the federal and that was straightforward, but CA state does not populate form 5805.   What is strange is that when I print out my CA return, it doesnt print a 5805, but when I look at my CA forms it shows an empty 5805 that when deleted, regenerates an empty form!

Level 5
Mar 4, 2022 12:38:18 PM

Even more info.  I kept trying to delete FTB 5805 and it kept bring regenerated.  So I looked in detail in forms.  What it said was under the information smart worksheet was F: If penalty exemption 1 or 2 is met, the exception number will be listed to the right.  So turbotax autofills: "1 - Prior Yr $500/$250".   The exemption 1 states: "The amount of your tax liability (not including lump-sum distributions) less credits (including the withholding credit) but not including estimated tax payments for either 2020 or 2021 was less than $500....

 

I do not qualify for this exemption.  My tax liability for 2021 was $5000 greater than my withholdings.  I made an estimated tax payment of $5000 in jan 2022.  According to the instructions, I do not qualify for the exemption.  1) IS TURBOTAX making an error including the estimated tax payments in the exception calculation???   2) I cannot delete the incorrect information in the worksheet.  How do I do this?