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New Member
posted Mar 10, 2025 6:37:25 AM

Can I have more business expenses than the taxable income?

Why does the software not allow for more business expenses than the income?

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Expert Alumni
Mar 10, 2025 7:12:26 AM

Why do you say it does not allow for more expenses than income?  Where is it not allowing the expenses?

 

No, you cannot claim more self-employed health insurance than you have profit, nor the home office deduction and your self-employed retirement contributions are limited based on your profit.  So, these expenses would not be allowed if you have no income. 

Yes, you can have more business expenses than income, which would create a business loss on your return.  You would then see this as a negative number on your form 1040.  

Reporting Self-Employment Business Income and Deductions

 

 

New Member
Mar 10, 2025 7:48:54 AM

The software no longer calculates the refund when my business expenses match the total income. 

Expert Alumni
Mar 10, 2025 8:14:44 AM

Please provide more detail?  You do not get a refund because your business expenses are greater than your business income.

 

If you were getting a refund when you had business income greater than expenses, it could be that you were getting the Earned Income Credit or another credit that was based on having income or your income.  For example, if you have children, but no earned income, then you would not be eligible for the Child Tax Credit or the refundable portion which is the Additional Child Tax Credit.  Before you enter the expenses, you may be getting the ACTC or the Earned Income Credit which goes away after you enter all your expenses and no longer have income.

To see what is happening, you can print out your return with the expenses entered and then remove the expenses and print it out that way and compare line by line to see why your refund is changing. This will tell you exactly what is being changed and then if you still need help, you can respond back and we can further explain why the changes are happening. 

 

NOTE:  You cannot intentionally NOT enter expenses to manipulate your income just to get a refundable credit.

 

New Member
Mar 10, 2025 8:58:48 AM

the software is not allowing me to see the loss.

Expert Alumni
Mar 10, 2025 9:42:26 AM

Are you using the online or desktop version?  If you are using the online version and did not pay yet, then From the left rail menu in TurboTax Online, select Tax Tools (You may have to scroll down on the left rail menu.)

  1. Select Tax Tools 
  2. On the drop-down select Tools 
  3. On the pop-up menu titled “Tools Center”, select View Tax Summary 
  4. On the left sidebar, select Preview my 1040 

 

You will not be able to print until you pay.  So you can take a screenshot or write down all the numbers if you are not ready to pay. 

 

If you are using the desktop version, you can flip over to forms mode to see and print your form 1040.