I thought that they would give you the refund and have you pay what is owed over time? It doesn't make any sense to me. As I made the estimated tax payments but even if I contest it I have no way to prove it now due to that account being closed and the bank and I being in court cause I'm sueing them
What do you need to prove? Yes they will automatically take any past due out of your refunds. Are you saying the amount is one hundred and thirteen THOUSAND? I think for that much you should be using a CPA.
Yes that is what I am saying and it doesn't make sense why I still wouldn't get my refund. But if I paid that due amount and then amended my return would I then get that refund?
No point in doing that. It would be a wash. Why would you want to pay the past due to get the current refund? That doesn't make sense. Just let them keep your refund.
I understand what you are saying but if they keep it they said I will still have to pay the full $113000 that they won't apply my refund to that
They are saying basically that none of my estimated payments that I made are showing on their end and because the account I used to pay them is now closed and I am sueing the bank they won't provide me anything I need to prove I made those payments
I don't think so. Did they say you still owe 113,000 after they apply the refund to it? Did you originally owe a lot more? If you owe that much then the interest and penalty have been adding up. Sounds like you need a tax attorney.
How did you make the estimated payments? Did you send in a check with a 1040ES slip? Did you put your ssn on the checks? You don't have the old bank statements?
The amount that they gave me is showing the same as my tax amount on my return so I'm guessing they aren't applying the refund amount to my return
I made them thru direct pay but no I don't have the bank statements and since I'm sueing the bank they won't give them to me. But what I don't understand is if they are saying they aren't applying my refund to the $113000 and I'm not getting a refund what happened to that refund/money?
"what happened to that refund/money?"
If you have tax due, there is no refund/money.
You need to review the explanation letter or call to know what the IRS did, particularly with regard to your Estimated Tax payments and why there is such a swing in the amounts from positive to negative.