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New Member
posted Jan 5, 2020 1:20:36 PM

Form 1040SR is defaulted. How do I use/print F-1040? Yes I am over 65yo.

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Level 15
Jan 5, 2020 1:24:24 PM

If the tax data you entered only requires you to file a Form 1040-SR then that is the form that will be included in your tax return and in the PDF download available.

Level 15
Jan 5, 2020 1:25:13 PM

Why are you concerned that you are using 1040SR?  It just has larger print--the calculations are done exactly the same way for you no matter which form you file on.

Level 15
Jan 11, 2020 4:16:21 PM

This new 1040-SR is the silliest thing the IRS has done to date … what a waste of effort & paper… the new 1040-SR  is EXACTLY  the same in line information  as the 1040 this year ... the ONLY differences are  the font size, background color (that TT doesn't print)  and the fact that they added a standard exemption chart to the bottom of the first page of the SR form ...

 

LOOK at them side by side and have a good laugh. 

 

I still can’t find any reason why the form 1040 could not simply have larger font and no background color ( which used to differentiate the 1040, 1040A and 1040EZ apart from each other).

  

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040s.pdf

 

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

Returning Member
Feb 3, 2020 3:06:19 PM

I don't think this should be the default. I want to be able to select the form I want. What if a senior is applying for a loan. I think the bank might automatically have problems with this form or even discriminate.

Returning Member
Feb 3, 2020 3:07:12 PM

I'm concerned if I need to use the return for a purpose where there might be discrimination against the senior; e.g. a bank loan.

Level 15
Feb 3, 2020 3:10:23 PM


@mmacbain wrote:

I'm concerned if I need to use the return for a purpose where there might be discrimination against the senior; e.g. a bank loan.


The Form 1040-SR is

Exactly

the same as the Form 1040.   It only has slightly larger type.

Returning Member
Feb 3, 2020 3:13:32 PM

It is not the same - the title is 1040-SR U.S. Tax Return for Seniors

Returning Member
Feb 3, 2020 3:14:28 PM

It also has a different layout and has a standard deduction chart at the bottom. It also has only items that seniors would use. The only reason the IRS did this is because Congress made them do it. I think a TT user should have the option of choosing which form they want to use. Chances are this form won't be available in the future. Also, if one has to send in multiple years of returns, there is no consistency. It's a mess!

 

Level 15
Feb 3, 2020 3:15:17 PM


@mmacbain wrote:

It is not the same - the title is 1040-SR U.S. Tax Return for Seniors


Well, that is the only difference.  Discrimination based on age for any type of loan is illegal if the person applying for a loan is of legal age.

Level 15
Feb 3, 2020 3:19:22 PM

@mmacbain The line numbers are the same.  The calculations are the same.  If you are 65 or older, the print is larger.  Your tax is not calculated differently.  The tax form is not discriminating against you for your age.   There has always been a higher  standard deduction for 65 or older, so that is not different either. 

 

Compare them side by side:

 

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040s.pdf

 

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

 

 

Returning Member
Feb 3, 2020 3:22:28 PM

Take another look. There are more differences. Discrimination happens whether it is illegal or not! I just attended a seminar by an IRS stakeholder liaison and he explained the differences. He also said that it was designed for people who hand write their returns and don't use electronic filing. It is inappropriate for TT to assume that one wants to use this form. There should be an option.

Level 15
Feb 3, 2020 3:28:27 PM

Well, I am well over age 65 and really cannot see an issue with the 1040-SR.  If applying for a loan is a concern even if you use the 1040, you still have to give proof of identity and that will have your date of birth on the ID.

Level 15
Feb 3, 2020 3:38:06 PM

OK you bunch of nit pickers ... the ONLY differences between the 2 forms is one has no background color which makes it harder for some people (not only seniors) to read AND which is not on the PDF form TT puts out  AND the font is larger (again easier for everyone to read)  AND  the standard deduction chart on the bottom of page 1.   NOTHING else is different !!!! 

 

The program has ALWAYS chosen the correct form for your situation ... it used to pick the 1040EZ if you qualified and now it will choose the 1040-SR if you qualify.  The ONLY qualification for this new ridiculous form is that you be 65 or older  and if you apply for a loan the mortgage company already has your age so this should not be a surprise to them that you give them a 1040-SR.  This is NOT discrimination of any kind ... it is just making allowances for those who may need it.  If you don't like it then write the IRS.

 

NOW if you really need want to have a 1040 to hand into a lender then print off a blank form from the IRS site and manually transfer the information yourself ... but IMHO it is a waste of time. 

 

Now in my professional program I do have the option to opt out of the 1040-SR form and I did for only one reason ... saving ink !!!  Doing this means the returns I print will not have that useless deduction chart on every form.   AND  my professional program is using the same large font for the form 1040 which is great. 

New Member
Feb 11, 2020 10:42:05 AM

If you use the CD (and perhaps the download) then switch to forms and the Info Wks part II has a selection for 1040 or 1040sr.  Not a real obvious option!

Level 15
Feb 11, 2020 11:12:22 AM

FYI ... the CD & Download are EXACTLY the same in every way. 

Expert Alumni
Feb 12, 2020 12:04:07 PM

You are concerned that you will be discriminated against (say in a loan process), because you have provided an 
SR-1040 instead of the traditional 1040.  Two issues come to mind:

  • The lender may already know (or guess at) your age, either because the loan application asks for it or because of a lengthy work history listed.
  • More importantly, lenders are prohibited from discriminating against a borrower because of their age.  Legally, banks can only offer loans based on financial qualifications alone

 

Returning Member
Feb 22, 2020 1:29:15 PM

 

thank you!  You are the only person on this site who has provided helpful information.  It is inconceivable that one is forced to file SR by Turbo tax when it is an option available by the IRS.

Level 15
Feb 22, 2020 1:37:21 PM

And I reiterate ... the ONLY differences between the 2 forms is the FONT size and the useless chart at the bottom of page one.  

Level 3
Jul 2, 2020 6:32:24 PM

You only get 1040 on the screen, when you save to print it reverts back to 1040SR. 

Level 15
Jul 2, 2020 7:06:26 PM

Again so what ???   Why are you so hung up on this issue ?  What difference does it make ? 

 

Really ... the ONLY differences between the 2 forms is the FONT size and the useless chart at the bottom of page one. 

Level 15
Jul 2, 2020 7:48:54 PM

@wtmann45   Are you using the Online version?  You have to print out the 1040SR.  Then you can copy it to the regular 1040 and mail it in.  Here's a blank 1040 to fill out.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf 

 

But Even the regular 2019 1040 return is now different than 2018.  They changed the line numbers again and reduced the new schedules from 6 to 3.

 

1040SR https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040s.pdf

 

1040 https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

 

Level 3
Jul 7, 2020 11:02:48 AM

Thanks VolvoGirl but I did not ask how to get my info on and submit the regular 1040. I only commented on someone else's reply on how to change forms that did not work.

This also applies to you Critter-3. 

Level 15
Jul 7, 2020 11:07:30 AM

Right, you can not change the form in the Online version.  You can force and select the 1040 in the Desktop program.

Level 3
Jul 7, 2020 11:54:57 AM

Sorry I left that information out, my original reply to was based on desktop Deluxe specific to what whadago posted.  However my original post was incorrect due to my misunderstanding what he said.