Retirement tax questions

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For whatever reason, when tagteam's first note to me came in on July 18th, when I attemped to respond with a reply, the new  Community screen went into a "hang" or suspended state without my ability to enter anything.  I forwarded this to the Intuit team and this now is resolved.  So that said,

 

Here are the relevant attachments to my original post that was in the AXE forum and for reasons unexplained the PDF attachments never were transferred over!!


FIRST PDF - A non-terminal year filing Form 1041

  1. Generally, most states do not provide or allow for a Trust to allocate capital gains to any beneficiaries except in the final year of the Trust when it is liquidated or terminated.  Estates can distribute principal and gain through the years of administration.  So the allocation issue is critical. 
  2. As said, most states do not allow gains to be allocated to the beneficiaries, and in fact will assess tax on the capital gains (state income tax) irrespective of any attempt at the Federal level to allocate principal to beneficiaries.
  3. Allocations have been made
  4. A Simple Trust must allocate all Ordinary Income to beneficiaries; a Complex Trust frequently does according to the provisions of the trust.
  5. Distributions can be allocated by percentage amongst the beneficiaries or alternatively by explicit amounts, as stated in the provisions of the trust document. 
  6. Example has a single beneficiary receiving 100% of Ordinary Income
  7. CRITICAL Checkpoint - Several calculations of a trust's income:
    "Accounting Income"  - Amount of total income that is possibly allocable to beneficiaries
    "Distributable Net Income" - Maximum amount of Taxable Income that can be distributed
  8. Form 1041 the Schedule B - CRITICAL Checpoint - this is where an entry frequently is made
    Line 7 is the taxable portion of Total Income  - DNI Distributable Net Income
    Worksheet where the allocation of total income is shown and must be checked
    Line 9 - this is an entry carried forward from the screen stating actually how much was distributed
                 this includes tax-exempt income as well as taxable
    Line 10 - if a Complex Trust, and if the trust provisions allow, principal may have been allocated
                   this is not a taxable transaction so there was no interview entry but line 10 must be manually entered.
  9. -11  The produced Schedule K-1
           The check-off box in the interview

Second PDF - Final Year Filing Form 1041

 

  1. In the very beginning of the interview at General Info - make certain to indicate this is the FINAL YEAR
  2. In General Info, verify Final Return checked, and enter date when trust/estate closed
     Since this is the final year, whether or no previously a trust was a Simple Trust, in the final year
      when all assets are distributed including accumulated gain and principal, it is now a Complex Trust
  3. Schedule D Part III - Line 18 preparer must verify and if necessary manual enter the accumulated gain to be 
            distributed to Beneficiaries.  
            If not certain review Schedule D  Line 16 
  4. Form 1041 Schedule B 
    - Line 9  verify and/or manually enter the Ordinary Income from Line C above
    - Line 10 Preparer must manually enter the total proceeds of this final year of the trust/estate that 
                    were actually distributed to the Beneficiaries. !!!!
  5. Schedule K-1 complete and also see 7 - Distributable Income for Schedule K-1         
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