Carl
Level 15

Investors & landlords

@Hal_Al  @VolvoGirl please add your knowledge to this. While my knowledge on estates is "okay", it's a bit less on trusts. I'm only contributing what I know (or think I know) because of my experience with rental property.

For starters, if your state taxes personal income, you can stop reading at this point and seek professional help. things can, and commonly do get more complicated with trusts and the such when the state whose laws apply to the trust, also taxes personal income.

Now for some clarification:
My father owns a residential rental property and this last year we placed into a living trust "Grantor Trust"

No. "we" did not place it into a trust. Your father who is the sole owner of the property placed it into a trust.

Since I oversee and manage the property

That doesn't mean you have any ownership in the property. I merely means that you manage the trust and it's assets to the extent that the property owner (your father) allows you to as defined and clarified in the trust.

 

we have always split the profit and losses 50/50.

For you, that is not rental income. It's compensation you are paid either by your father, or from the trust for services you provide as the trust administrator. So that income you receive is not passive rental income. It's non-passive (earned) income paid to you for the services you provide. Therefor it would be reported to you on either a W-2 as an employee, but more likely on a 1099-MISC in box 7 as the administrator of the trust.

 

This year I have been informed that an IRS form 1041 should be filed and we use our SSN rather than an EIN,

A trust is treated as it's own entity "for tax purposes". Therefore the trust requires it's own EIN.

 

but how should the form be filled out so that both me and my father are 50/50 as the operating statement reflects?

The question is rather generic to me. You follow the prompts in the program and it guides you. If you get stuck on a screen, then the information you seek in order to continue would be asked with a more specific question.

Are there any other considerations that I should be aware of?

Quite a few I can think of. Probably more I"m not aware of.

For starters, has possession of the property been transferred to the trust by updating the property deed? I question this, because if there's a mortgage on the property you probably need the permission of the mortgage holder to do that, since they are listed as a lien holder on the property. I do  know you need their permission when changing, adding, or removing ownership of a person or business on the deed. I'm not so sure for a trust through, but would expect that if lender permission is required, that lender notification is.

 

To often I see where folks establish a trust for real estate property. Yet they never do the paperwork and legwork at actually transfer the property into the trust. Then when the owner/grantor of the trust dies everyone is shocked to find out that the trust doesn't possess anything, and therefore has nothing to distribute to any heirs. An even worse scenario occurs if a tenant of the property sues the owner, and the owner discovers the hard (and expensive) way that the trust has no ownership or control of the property.

 

If this property was placed in a trust through the proper channels prior to 2019 and no EIN was obtained for the trust, then the property is owned/controlled by an entity that does not yet legally exist. At least not on paper from a tax stand point.

A trust is required to file IRS Form 1041 every year with exceptions for those years where there is less than $600 of reportable income. (reportable income is not the same as taxable income.) I'm confident the trust has met that filing requirement "if" the trust actually has control/ownership of the property on the legal front.

 

The more I think and type here, the scarier this gets. So I'm gonna stop and wait for the others to chime in. Please wait for at least one of them to do so before responding. It's perfectly possible that some of my information could be incomplete, misleading, or just flat out wrong. As I stated above, while I generally know my stuff about rental property, I'm not exactly the sharpest pencil in the can when it comes to trusts.