Roth ira indirect rollove

We did traditional IRA indirect rollovers in 2024. I asked where do I show the rollover on our 1040 Sr form. I was advised to show them on line 4a and put $0.00 on 4b. Today's question is we also rolled over Roth iras. Where do I show them on our 1040sr form. Also do I combine them or add them all together. Note we did take our RMD so I would show the taxable amount on 4b. Thanks in advance🆑