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Level 15
Level 15

Deductions & credits

@FrenchBaguette , 

see --- >  Assurance Vie Taxation: A Guide for US Expats in France and  others on the internet.

 

While I recognize that there is no case law ( that I have found ) as to whether  IRS has taken a position on Assurance Vie  is a PFIC or a savings vehicle ,  its regs, distribution etc. makes me uncomfortable to declare this as a savings account  ( position taken by  TurboTax expert T_minh ).

Examining the outcome /requirements  of this is classed as  PFIC --- (a) you have to report  on form 8621;  (b) you have to follow the excess distribution regime; (c) allocate the gains to each  holding year ; (d ) be taxed at a higher rate. 

What are the rules trying to do --- penalize / discourage  non-recognition of offshore  holdings  of  wealth & gain thereof , through Passive investment vehicles outside the ken of IRS.

 I think a middle ground  for small investors in such vehicles is to recognize  un-distributed gains each year of holding and as ordinary  income -- a-la dividend / interest.  This way the required carry-back of gain at distribution is a non-issue.  IRS gets its monies.  And the taxpayer can legitimately claim that  I looked upon this as savings account and paid taxes on undistributed at marginal rate.

 The ;problem with this scenario for  US Person  with accounts in a foreign land  -- Assurance Vie in France for example -- there is no way to  use the foreign tax credit .  This is because  if you have recognized all the     un-distributed gain over the years, at final distribution there is no foreign income ( the earnings had already been taxed by US ) and therefore no foreign tax credit.

 

Does this make sense ?

 

That is my view.