jtomchay
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Yes- This is confusing.  It looks like the two agencies have different definitions for MAGI for different purposes.

Even TurboTax  lists "non-taxable Social Security" to be included in MAGI 

https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/irs-tax-return/what-is-the-difference-between-agi-and-magi-on-y...

For Social Security IRMAA purposes, I believe this can be misleading- (just my opinion).

I believe for SS IRMAA  purposes, my 15% non-taxed amount is NOT to be added back in (See SSA doc reference below). 

But I am not going to risk it - I will add that 15% back in as a safety margin when calculating how much Roth conversions I can do.

Of course standard disclaimer applies- rely on a tax professional.

 

FYI- Copied  from the SS Handbook at their site: 

https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/handbook/handbook.25/handbook-2501.html

What is Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI)?

Modified Adjusted Gross Income is the sum of:

  • The beneficiary's adjusted gross income (AGI) (last line of page 1 of the IRS Form 1040 (U.S. Individual Income Tax Return)), plus

  • Tax-exempt interest income (line 8b of IRS Form 1040)

2501.1How Is MAGI Used?

MAGI is used to determine if an Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount (IRMAA) applies. It is provided by IRS and is generally information that is two years prior (but not more than 3 years prior) to the year for which the premium is being determined. We will use the appropriate sliding scale table (�2503) to determine the IRMAA.