pk
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@Amd813 , agreeing with comments by my colleague @Anonymous_ , I would just to  say the following:

 

(a) need to distinguish between  " spend down" and "recovery". 

(b)  L/E ( i.e. retaining the  "use rights only") has the benefit of "step-up" and thereby shield the beneficiaries from Capital Gains tax , especially  if the transfer is through a "gift" or "sale equivalent"

(c)   Joint ownership in its different forms ( and depending on the state laws)  may  not allow "step-up" of the whole asset -- in worst case would ONLY be available to the  decedent's portion.  Thus the other owners  may  be exposed to  Capital Gains tax  ( the quantum  dependent on exact facts and method of transfer)

(d)  This being the main residence of the father ( donor/seller/?? ) it would be immune for inclusion  for purposes of "spend-down" i.e. for eligibility for Medicaid.  

(e)   There is anecdotal  evidence / suggestion that in some cases Medicaid has forced/ strongly suggested  liquidation of  main residence since the "patient" is not expected to ever be able to go home ---  " Hospice" situation.

(f)  Post  passing of the "father/patient" Medicaid ( and depending on exact situation and facts ) may  use  recoveries  ,  especially if the Estate is sizeable .    Obviously in such a case a complete disposition of the residence  ( gift , sale etc. ) would preclude any recovery procedure -- a person's debt generally is extinguished  post probate (i.e.. does not pass on to inheritors) but the debt(s)  is/are dealt with before  distribution to inheritors..

(g)  Gifts  during life have no tax implications -- just documentation.  But settlement / reconciliation  of Estate/Gift tax is  done  at probate   and before distribution of assets to inheritors.

 

I am not an expert on this area of taxation  and  therefore  suggest  a discussion with an elder / Estate attorney.  I recognize a trust set-up is not cheap ( I just did my own ) .  You can do a lot of research on-line  ( and lot of the hype is not true ) at sites like Nolo or similar.

 

Is there more I can do for you ?

 

pk