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Passive 8582 carry over from 2011

On my 2011 Form 8582 (line 4), I have a surplus of -31.778 from old rental properties.   In 2024, I have a new rental.   Can I use the old 2011 surplus against my new 2024 rental?   If so, do I just enter it in 2024 Form 8582.

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marctu
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Passive 8582 carry over from 2011

Unused passive activity losses ("PAL") are carried forward to future tax returns (they don't expire). There are two common ways passive activity losses are used up: (1) Upon the sale of the property or (2) being used up by passive income generators.

 

My concern with your scenario is the use of the phrase "old rental properties".  With the passage time, did you use this PAL in a prior year either when the old rental properties were sold or they operated at a profit in a given tax year between 2012 and 2023?  If they were not sold and operated at a loss, the PAL would have increased during the same time period.  I would look at all the tax returns between 2012 and 2023 for From 8582 as well.  

 

If you were supposed to use the PAL in a prior tax period, and did not, depending upon the tax year you can amend the tax return (2021, 2022 and 2023) to correct the carryover.  


Thank you for your question @wlaurenc5555 

 

All the best,

 

Marc T.

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Passive 8582 carry over from 2011

In 2012, I stopped renting the condo.    From 2012 to 2022, I used it as a vacation property only (like a 2nd home).   Then in 2023, I sold the property at a loss.   From the material I read, I could not claim any losses on a vacation home sale.   

 

I purchased TurboTax protection and my 2023 tax returns have been uploaded to TurboTax if you want to take a look.

 

Under this scenerio:

- Should I have increased the PAL when I sold the vacation property in 2023?

- Can I use the use the PAL in 2024 then?

 

 

 

marctu
Employee Tax Expert

Passive 8582 carry over from 2011

Thank you for that clarification, and the additional facts supplied regarding the use of the property between 2012 and 2023.  You are correct, when you sold the vacation home in 2023 you were unable to use the the PAL from the time it was a rental (2011 and prior).   The PAL should be unchanged if this was there were no other PAL between 2012 and 2023 as well.

 

To the extent you have passive income in 2024 or a future year you can deduct the suspended PAL from 2011.  If you have no other passive income, the PAL will remain suspended until the time you have passive income.

 

All the best,

 

Marc T.

TurboTax Live Tax Expert

27 Years of Experience Helping Clients

 

 

 

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