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tester74
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Home improvements while getting the property ready to rent and home not rented for 45 days after I moved out

I made improvements to my primary residence while living in it to get it rental ready. Moved out of the home on Aug 1st 2017 into a new primary residence, but the rental was not occupied by tenants for 45 days and they moved in Sept 15th 2017.

1. Can I deduct improvement expenses ( hardwood, painting etc) that was done before listing the property for rental? It was all done from July 1 to July 12 and the house was listed for rent on July 20th. From what I read it cannot be an expense ad has to be depreciated, but not sure if can be depreciated since it was not listed for rent

2. When do I stop deducting the mortgage as an itemized deduction? Would it be Aug 1st ( when listed for rent) or Sept 15th ( when the tenants moved in?). 

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Carl
Level 15

Home improvements while getting the property ready to rent and home not rented for 45 days after I moved out

Property improvements are not deducted. They are entered in the assets/depreciation section and depreciated over time. Other costs incurred preparing the property for rent, are not deductible either. Please read all of the below for clear "plain English" definitions of things that matter to you.

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER  you moved out.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL POPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when  the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.


tester74
New Member

Home improvements while getting the property ready to rent and home not rented for 45 days after I moved out

Thanks a lot for the very quick reply! Greatly appreciate it
tester74
New Member

Home improvements while getting the property ready to rent and home not rented for 45 days after I moved out

One quick question - When do I stop deducting the mortgage as an itemized deduction? Would it be Aug 1st ( when listed for rent) or Sept 15th ( when the tenants moved in?). -
Carl
Level 15

Home improvements while getting the property ready to rent and home not rented for 45 days after I moved out

When the tenant moves in is irrelevant. When the property is "available for rent" is when depreciation and all other deductible expenses start. The date available for rent is not the date the renter actually moves in either. It's the earliest date a renter *COULD* have moved in.
So if you had everything ready for a physical move in on Aug 1st and put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard on that day, it may not be until Sept15th when you have acquired a renter and they *actually* move in. That doesn't matter. The "in service" date is still Aug 1st.
You will not, under any circumstances, enter your 1098, real estate taxes or property insurance in the Your Home section, or anywhere else for that matter. You will only enter it in the Rental section when the program asks you for it. Note that it is EXTREMELY important you read the small print on every screen. With 2017 being your first year renting out this property, I can guarantee you that the small print matters big time, so that you make correct selections and enter the right numbers. If you do it right, the program will take care of all the splits between the SCH A for the period of time before it was a rental, and the SCH E for the period of time it was classified as a rental and "in service" as such.
One thing that I just can't stress enough is the importance of getting things abostively positutely spot on correct in the first year. The tiniest mistake in that first year tends to grow exponentially as the years pass. Then when you catch your error a few years down the road, fixing it *WILL* be costly. So if you have any doubts or concerns here, please by all means, ask.
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