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Rental property change hands

I inherit a few apartments with tenant who has lease with the deceased person.

so, those apartments are rental property. I am the only official heir. yet, the deceased left some agreements to give some of his properties to someone else. however,  that requires court's justification, so that it is a 'death bed gift'. then the property can be transferred to the final person who supposed to receive this bequest.

in short, I am only a temporarily holder of these properties.  after I post a few question on this forum and realized I might have to deal with this.  I kind of have to report the rental income and claim depreciation. 

now, next year, the court rules I need to transfer these property to someone else. and no sales actually take place, it is a bequest from the deceased.

in such case, should I just take these property off my 1040? do I need to do anything else? remember there is no sales involved.

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Rental property change hands

I highly suggest you seek professional help locally to deal with this situation because it sounds like the estate may need to keep these properties on their book until the estate has settled.

Rental property change hands

I made this inheritance with help a lawyer , he said, no matter what, it needs to go to the only heir first. then distribute to others as 'death bed gift' is not a will.  that is the procedure and that is why the court needs to get involved. we actually do not have any problem in who gets what. but we need court's ruling to make it official to make sure the donor is the deceased.

anyway, that is off  the topic.  It just occurred to me, I should treat these kind of transfer 'AS IS' situation. the adjusted cost base (after depreciation) is carried over. and no capital gain at all per court order. so that should be no tax involved.

Rental property change hands

If the title is owned by you, report it as you should, including depreciation.

If the title is still held by the deceased, the rental income needs to go on the deceased Estate return.

If the title changes to the other person, so be it.  It is not a sale, so no tax would be owed on the transfer.

If the title is retroactively changed to the other person, you may need to amend the tax return you are filing now.
Carl
Level 15

Rental property change hands

I see a few contradictory statements in your post.

 " I am the only official heir. yet, the deceased left some agreements to give some of his properties to someone else"

Does it state this in the Last Will & Testament, or in legally recognized attachments to the Will of the deceased? If so, then you are NOT the only heir, regardless of what you may have been told, or assumed.

Have you already filed the Last Will & Testament in a court of law for probate?

Are you the "legally" recognized administrator of the estate, that is recognized and/or appointed as such by a court of law?

Have you established the estate, obtained an EIN for that estate?

Have all assets of the deceased, including the rental properties been transferred from ownership by the deceased, to the estate?

Rental property change hands

there is no valid will, and I am the only one on the line based on order of precedence. but, a few years before he passed away, he has written agreement with other people to give away his property to someone after he die. this agreement is not as formal as a will does (no notary ,no witness, etc).
that is why, we need to bring all the evidence to the court. and let the court to judge. this kind of things called 'deathbed gift' so the donor is still the deceased.  you can consider that as a contract between two people or debt of some kind.

in such case, I was told I need to inherit first (since there is no valid will). and transfer assets to someone according to the court order but the donor is still the deceased and need to follow estate tax rule. those transfer still count as part of estate.

I never know there is such thing called 'deathbed gift' till now.   I am still waiting for court's ruling anyway.
that is my understanding for now.

Rental property change hands

If the title has not been officially transferred to you yet, the rental needs to be on the Estate tax return, not yours.

Rental property change hands

yes, thanks, I will do that
Carl
Level 15

Rental property change hands

All this needs to be run through probate court - especially since there is no formal will. Written agreements need to be recognized as valid or not, and only a court can do that. You also need clarification on gifts, and *exactly* who they are from. I would think (keeping in mind that I am not a legal authority) that if you must first inherit, then any gifts are from you and not from the deceased. If that's the case, then *you* have to file gift tax returns if the value of any gifts given to any one person in a tax year exceeds $14K.
But like I said, that's not my call. you need clear and concise direction from a court of law. Even with that clarity the IRS may not have to agree with it. The IRS has their own tax rules which can only be over-ridden by a federal judge. Since situations such as yours are not dealt with at the federal level, there's no guarantee the IRS will abide by the decision of a lower court, since they legally don't have to.

Rental property change hands

think about a situation. after I inherit assets. a creditor of deceased shows up .I need to return the debt,  that would not considered a gift from me,right? I am pretty sure if the 'deathbed gift'  stands, the donor is the deceased.

Rental property change hands

you are right, I will have to clarity with the IRS first
Carl
Level 15

Rental property change hands

There's a lot of variables that have to be considered so one can prepare for the possibility. One thing that the estate will have to deal with on the rentals is depreciation. Before rental property can be passed to anyone outside of the estate, it is the estate that will recapture depreciation and pay taxes on it. Depending on the amount of depreciation, that can eat up quite a bit of any cash in the estate that would otherwise be passed to heirs.
Then if there's not enough cash to pay the estate taxes, it's very possible the estate will have to sell something (such as a rental) in order to get the cash to pay the taxes with.
Then for the rentals, there's the matter of the existing signed lease. How is it worded? Is it set up so that the terms of the will apply to both parties, *and* their heirs and successors? Weather it is or not, wording can play a key in the enforceability of the lease. So what happens if a tenant runs or just stops paying the rent during the probate process, or while the property is still owned by the estate? Can the estate evict the tenant for non-payment of rent? Can the estate pass on to a beneficiary recipient, a rental property where the renter is in arrears? If so and the estate does that, then does the beneficiary recipient have to start the 1-3 month eviction process all over from day one? Meanwhile, what about the mortgage payments on the property?
What I'm doing with the above is trying to make a point. That point being that it is very, very dangerous for someone not trained, qualified, certified and licensed in the law on this, to try and handle things alone. The bigger the estate, the more dangerous this is.
As the legally recognized administrator of an estate, that administrator is personally responsible, legally liable and financially culpable under the law, for the handling of that estate. If the administrator does something illegal or wrong, weather they are aware of the legality or not, then it is the administrator who has to answer for it. Any fines and penalties assessed because of incorrect or invalid actions by the administrator, are the liability of the administrator, and can not be paid from the estate. If the administrator is found by the courts to have not done things right, then it is the administrator that pays any and all fines and penalties (if assessed by the court) from their personal funds. They can not attach it to the estate, as an expense of managing the estate.
Lord forbid if it's found the estate suffered a loss because of that administrator's mismanagement, perceived or actual. If the courts order the administrator to reimburse the estate for losses, that could really bite.

Rental property change hands

thanks

Rental property change hands

after give it a thought,  the problem ends up no matter  I choose to file 709 or amendment 3520. either way, there is no tax due. and I am poor guy and won't exceed estate tax exemption. Just need to find a proper way of doing things. I did email a few lawyers and there is no conclusive result.

I think it is better to ask IRS, calling IRS may not give me the right answer on the fly. I would hope I can email them, then they will direct the mail to the right person. and give that person a few moment to think about it and give me a best advise.

is there any one knows IRS email address?

thanks

Rental property change hands

by the way , the estate is itself way below the exemption too.  no tax involved either. as long as the rental property stuff you mentioned has been taken care of too. Only thing left is someone come along saying that I need to return some estate with some document and take it to the court. I am waiting for court to rule. I am thinking if the court rule against me. (maybe it won't rule against me) what I should do in a right way, either way, there is no tax due.
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