Can I Gift 10,000 to a Grandchild with IRA pre-tax money without paying Federal and PA State taxes ?
PLease advise?
Edmund
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No. If you take money from an IRA you will be taxed. If you are under 59 1/2 there will be a 10% early withdrawal penalty; there will always be ordinary income tax. You will get a 1099R at tax time which must be entered on your tax return. What you do with the money from your IRA is irrelevant with only a few exceptions. Gifting the money to a family member is not one of the exceptions.
Gifts given to family members, friends or other individuals are not deductible. Gifts received are not taxable to the person who received the gift, and are not entered on a tax return.
If your gift exceeds the yearly limit ($18,000 per individual) imposed by the gift tax rules, then you will need to complete a Form 709 gift tax form and send it to the IRS, although it is very unlikely that you will owe any tax.
TurboTax does not support Form 709. It is not an income tax form and would not be included as part of an income tax return.
Here is a link to the form:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f709.pdf
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/estates/the-gift-tax-made-simple/L5tGWVC8N
No. You have to pay tax on the IRA withdrawal. What you do with the money after the withdrawal doesn’t affect its taxation.
No. If you take money from an IRA you will be taxed. If you are under 59 1/2 there will be a 10% early withdrawal penalty; there will always be ordinary income tax. You will get a 1099R at tax time which must be entered on your tax return. What you do with the money from your IRA is irrelevant with only a few exceptions. Gifting the money to a family member is not one of the exceptions.
Gifts given to family members, friends or other individuals are not deductible. Gifts received are not taxable to the person who received the gift, and are not entered on a tax return.
If your gift exceeds the yearly limit ($18,000 per individual) imposed by the gift tax rules, then you will need to complete a Form 709 gift tax form and send it to the IRS, although it is very unlikely that you will owe any tax.
TurboTax does not support Form 709. It is not an income tax form and would not be included as part of an income tax return.
Here is a link to the form:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f709.pdf
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/estates/the-gift-tax-made-simple/L5tGWVC8N
@xmasbaby0 wrote:If your gift exceeds the yearly limit ($18,000 per individual).....
Not a biggie or anything but the annual exclusion for 2025 is $19,000 (the 2024 figure was $18,000).
The 709 form and instructions are typically about a year behind.
@M-MTax Thanks for the reminder---I needed to update for 2025!
I guess I have some confusion. Our parents (in-law) some years ago, gave us a $10,000. gift. They indicated that they either would have to pay more Taxes or gift cash to their children? So I was thinking there is more to the rules today with pre-tax money? Please advise? Ed
Yes you always need to pay tax on pre-tax money from a IRA etc. The prior posts were very clear and answered that. What is still your confusion? What your parents did should not affect you. Where did they get the 10,000 to give you?
@edmund360 Sorry--we do not know what tax laws were in effect years ago when your parents gifted some money to you. Under the current tax laws, gifts given to family members are not deductible. And...as explained already, gifting pre-tax money is not an exception to paying tax on money taken from a retirement account. Money distributed from an IRA is taxable income.
Do not confuse paying "gift tax" with paying ordinary income tax. You will pay ordinary income tax on a distribution from an IRA.
Here is a a link to an IRS site that might help you understand paying tax on money taken from retirement accounts.
https://www.irs.gov/help/ita/is-my-pension-or-annuity-payment-taxable
Please re-read the link given to you regarding gifts.
Thank you. I appreciate you responding to my question! Ed
@edmund360 wrote:
I guess I have some confusion. Our parents (in-law) some years ago, gave us a $10,000. gift. They indicated that they either would have to pay more Taxes or gift cash to their children? So I was thinking there is more to the rules today with pre-tax money? Please advise? Ed
Let's separate the responsibilities of the giver and the recipient.
The giver can give any gifts they want. However, they have to pay any taxes that might be due based on how the giver obtained the money. If the giver takes the money from wages, they pay tax on their wages. If the giver takes money from a savings account, they don't pay additional tax because they paid tax on the money before they deposited it (but they will pay tax on the interest in the savings account). If the giver sells stocks and gives the money to the recipient, the giver will pay whatever capital gains might be due on the sale of the stock (or it might even be a deductible loss if they sell stocks that have lost value).
Separately, the giver can be required to pay gift tax, but only if their lifetime total gifts is more than $14 million.
In short, the giver pays income tax based how much income and what kind of income they have, and their taxes are not affected by gifts they give out of their money.
The recipient generally never pays tax on gifts they receive. There is a rare exception, if the giver owed gift tax and did not pay it, that can sometimes be assessed on the recipient. But since the giver can give $14 million without owning gift tax, it is very rare that the recipient will have to pay tax of any kind.
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