turbotax icon
cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
turbotax icon
cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
turbotax icon
cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
turbotax icon
cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
Announcements
Close icon
Do you have a TurboTax Online account?

We'll help you get started or pick up where you left off.

Connect with an expert
x
Do you have an Intuit account?

Do you have an Intuit account?

You'll need to sign in or create an account to connect with an expert.

Hal_Al
Level 15

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

@Jemimaschmidt 

 

"The judge ordered the custodial parent to waive the child tax deductions and related exemptions".

 

The judge is allowed to order the custodial parent to release the Child Tax credit and the dependency (formerly, prior to 2018, called the dependent exemption) to the non-custodial parent.  What he can NOT do, is order the release of the Earned Income Credit and Day Care Credit.

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

And if you are the custodial parent, YOU are the one who can file as Head of Household.  The judge can order you to sign 8332 and allow the other parent to get the child tax credit.

**Disclaimer: Every effort has been made to offer the most correct information possible. The poster disclaims any legal responsibility for the accuracy of the information that is contained in this post.**

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

It seems very counterintuitive. I am entitled to the tax credit  according to Federal Law yet a superior court judge is able to force me to involuntarily sign a form stating that I am voluntarily waving the right to claim the child tax credit.  Has anyone ever appealed this? 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

You are not "entitled" to the Child tax credit (CTC).  Under federal law, either parent MAY claim the CTC. If you can't agree on who will claim it,  the law says the custodial parent gets to claim it.  In your case, the judge has ordered you to "agree".  In addition, the non custodial parent needs form 8332 to "prove" that there is an agreement.  Usually, the judge's order is part of the overall financial settlement, and not an isolated thing.  It can't be appealed to the IRS.

 

What you can do is disobey the judge and not give the other parent the form 8332. In that case, the IRS will give your the CTC, if you claim it on your tax return. The IRS will not help the non-custodial parent.  His only remedy is to take you back to the local court for sanctions, which could include jail time for contempt

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

What if the judge orders the custodial parent to allow noncustodial parent to claim Head of Household and EIC

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

Would love to someone create a change in the lack of knowledge of divorce judges.  The EIC and HoH rules are often overlooked and judges allow parents to alternate years and it is Federal Law only where they reside

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

Educate the judge (via your attorney) by using the IRS publication itself ... have the attorney quote it directly. 

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

Not in Montana.

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

Exactly. It’s quite often the case my experienced divorce attorney knows of know cases where anyone has challenged this  in Arizona. I’m concerned she is not making a convincing argument as she acts confused about what the tax means. Any tips to explain why it is not permissible of in accord with federal law would be appreciated. 

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

Have them read the rules verbatim if needed :  

 

If you are the custodial parent where the child physically lived for more than half the year (183 nights) then:

When you enter the dependent, you say that he/she is "Your child" (not you and your spouse if remarried), 
he/she lived with you the whole year, 
“no” the child did not pay more than half of his/her own support,
"yes", you have a custody agreement, 
and "yes", the other parent is claiming this year.  

That will give you the EIC, Child Care Credit and Head of Household filing status if you otherwise qualify.

The child would be listed as "non-dependent EIC & Dependent Care only".
The other (non-custodial) parent can claim the child’s exemption and child tax credit only and needs a signed 8332 form to do so.

===

There is no such thing in the Federal tax law as 50/50, split, or joint custody.  The IRS only recognizes physical custody (which parent the child lived with the greater part, but over half, of the tax year.  That parent is the custodial parent; the other parent is the noncustodial parent.)

Who can claim the exemption and credits depends on who is the custodial parent. (By the IRS definition of custodial parent for tax purposes - this is not the same as the legal custody that a court might grant.).

The test that the IRS uses to determine the custodial parent is where the child lived for more than 1/2 (or greater part) of the year. The IRS will go so far as to require counting the nights spend in each household - that person is the custodial parent for tax purposes (if exactly equal and more than 183 days - The custodial parent is the parent with the highest AGI, if less than 183 days then neither parent has custody so the child cannot be claimed by either parent). And yes they are that picky.

See Custodial parent and noncustodial parent  under the residency test in Pub 17

https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17#en_US_2017_publink1000170899
 
Only the Custodial parent can claim: (Child would be listed as non-dependent EIC & CC only)
-Head of Household 
-Earned Income Credit
-Child Care Credit

The non custodial parent can only claim: (Child would be listed as dependent)
-The Exemption
-The Child Tax Credit

But only if specifically specified in a pre-2009 divorce decree, separation agreement or the custodial spouse releases the exemption with a signed 8332 form - after 2009 the IRS only accepts a signed 8332 form that must be attached to the non-custodial parents tax return.

Note. If you are the non-custodial parent filing your return electronically, you must file Form 8332 with Form 8453, (U.S. Individual Income Tax Transmittal) for an IRS e-file Return. See Form 8453 and its instructions for more details.  This must be done within 3 days of your e-filed return being accepted by the IRS.

Carl
Level 15

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

This thread has been growing for months now - literally! With no end in sight. So please bear with me as I try to "sum it up" in a single post - hopefully without writing a multi-volumn encylopedia. This is my attempt to make sense of this for those participants in this thrread who are seeking guidance, as well as the multitude of people who are following this thread and remaining silent.

The IRS is a federal institution that uses federal laws to institute federal taxation of U.S. Citizens and non-citizens who are authorized and allowed to work in this country. Those federal laws can only be over-ridden by a federal judge. Period. Since federal judges do not deal with divorce, separation or custody cases I can say with 100% certainty that such an over-ride will *never* happen.

Now when I use the word "rule" or "rules" in this post, I am referring to IRS rules which as established based on federal law.

The IRS has specific and explicit rules that clearly define the custodial parent and the non-custodial parent. IN a nutshell, and without quoting them all "vet-batim", here they are.

 - The custodial parent is the parent with whom the child lived in their household for more than 182 nights of the tax year. Temporary absences, such as being away to attend school, hospital stays, overnight visits with friends, etc. count for these days provided the child returns to the same home they left, at the end of the temporary absence. The number of nights do *not* have to be consecutive either.

If the separation of the parents occurred during the tax year and the child lived with both parents prior to the separation, then the custodial parent is the parent with whom the child was with the most nights of the tax year.

 - The non-custodial parent is the parent with whom the child did not live with for more than 182 nights of the tax year. If the separation occured during the tax year then the non-custodial parent is the parent with whom the child did not live with the most nights of the year.

Those are the rules as dictated by the IRS, based on federal law. Keeping in mind that federal judges do not deal with divorce, separation or custody cases, there is no other judge that can over-ride those two rules above which are based on federal law. Period.  But that does not mean a lower court judge is completely powerless. Keep reading.

The non-custodial parent can claim the child as a dependent for the tax year, *only* if the custodial parent provides the non-custodial parent a signed IRS Form 8332 - Release/Revocation of Release of Claim to Exemption for Child by Custodial Parent.

What a state or lower court judge can do, is give the custodial parent a court order to sign the IRS Form 8332 and provide it to the non-custodial parent. Now the judge can't force the custodial parent to sign it. But that same judge can find the custodial parent in violation of a lawful court order and hold that custodial parent in contempt of court if the custodial parent still refuses to sign the form 8332.

If the custodial parent is adamant and just flat out will not sign the 8332, then with the contempt of court finding and in accordance with state laws the judge can do things like incarcerate the custodial parent, or fine the custodial parent for each day they refuse to sign it, or any number of other things as permitted by your state's laws.  So the lower court judge is not totally powerless here.

But one thing to understand here; the IRS will not, under any circumstances and with no exceptions, get involved in any way, form or fashion with your legal pursuits.  Without a signed form 8332, the non-custodial parent just flat out, no way, no how can claim the child as a dependent. Period.

Now when it comes to state taxes, things may be totally different. it's perfectly possible depending on the laws of your state, that a state judge can legally "order" the non-custodial parent to claim the child as a dependent on the state tax return. But the judge can not under any circumstances and with no exception make the same order pertain to the federal tax return.

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

@Carl Love your posts ... just wish you could add spaces between the paragraphs so they are easier to read. 😉

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

I was forced to sign a 8332 form in court. The judge said sign it or go to jail. Is it still valid? 

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?


@Elbrookieo  wrote:

I was forced to sign a 8332 form in court. The judge said sign it or go to jail. Is it still valid? 


Yes, that is a valid court order.  The IRS cannot over-rule a court order requiring you to provide a signed Form 8332 to the noncustodial parent.

Can the IRS overrule a court order allowing a non-custodial parent who pays child support to claim a child for five consecutive years?

@Elbrookieo  

 

Read the other answers so you understand the difference between custodial  & non custodial parents and what each person is allowed to do according to the IRS regs.  

message box icon

Get more help

Ask questions and learn more about your taxes and finances.

Post your Question
Manage cookies