Hello,
I am dual citizen of US and my current foreign country of residence. The money I withdraw from my US based IRA or 401K is considered US source income from US point of view, even if I currently live abroad correct? So i cannot deduct any tax I pay to the foreign country for this, from my US tax yes (such as by form 1116)?
The foreign country I am at, is saying they have the right to tax this, but even if they do they need to allow what I paid to the US to be deducted from what I owe to them right? Otherwise it will be double taxation for me, since US is already considering it is US source (I couldn't even use Form 1116 to deduct what i pay here from US tax) or may be I CAN deduct it from US by using another US form (consdiering international stuff treaties etc)?
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You are correct: Generally, the IRS considers distributions from a US-based 401(k) or IRA to be US-source income. As a result, the foreign country is the one to issue you a tax credit depending on their tax laws.
One saving clause is if the US has a tax treaty with your country of residence, it almost certainly contains a "Relief from Double Taxation" article.
Your host country’s claim that they have the right to tax you is usually correct based on residency. Most tax treaties follow these general principles:
In retrospect, you may be able to file a Foreign Tax Credit on Form 1116 but depends on the tax treaty the US has with the country you reside in.
so you mean i can claim the tax i paid in Turkey from US although it is US sourced income? But i think form 1116 doesnt work for this
and my us tax were very low or even zero since i was below standard deduction. so if i claim turkish tax paid then waht? i get money from irs or since i paid nothing then nothing?
@DaveF1006 said the tax treatment depends on the US- Turkey Treaty.
If you have no tax liability, choosing to claim the credit would not be any help since it is nonrefundable. All worldwide income must be reported on the US tax return.
ok got it. according to Turkish tax office it is theirs to tax. So then I will go to form 1116 and claim this from my US income yes? and i can only claim up to my US tax liability, if my Turkish tax was higher right?
The other software I used while doing taxes, with my foreign address (so the software knows I am expat because it is for expats anyway), didn't even bring up form 1116, when i entered my US IRA withdrawal 1099R and I didn't have any other income that triggered 1116 in their system. But with Turbotax I can do it if I am in same situation? And in 1116 even if there may not be a dedicated place to enter US IRA withdrawal, can I describe a field as I want manually to say US Ira withdrawal tax paid to Turkiye and write my Turkish tax there?
It's not necessary to categorize it an IRA withdrawal on Form 1116. As you go through the interview questions to claim the Foreign Tax Credit, you would list this amount as Gross Income when you land on that screen asking for Gross Income.
You are correct in stating that the foreign tax credit can only be claimed up to your US tax liability,
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