topic Taxes owed after selling rental property in Investors & landlords https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700347#M55611 <P>I am selling rental property to a family member only for what I owe on the mortgage. What taxes if any will I owe.&nbsp; I owned the property for 17 years.</P> Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:33:08 GMT Pam190417 2020-07-28T15:33:08Z Taxes owed after selling rental property https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700347#M55611 <P>I am selling rental property to a family member only for what I owe on the mortgage. What taxes if any will I owe.&nbsp; I owned the property for 17 years.</P> Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:33:08 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700347#M55611 Pam190417 2020-07-28T15:33:08Z Re: Taxes owed after selling rental property https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700373#M55612 <P>can't say.&nbsp; &nbsp;was the family member the one that rented the property? if so, was the property rented at less than Fair Market Value.&nbsp; What's the FMV of the property vs the mortgage.</P><P>&nbsp;if the FMV is more than the mortgage you have made a gift that besides creating tax issues for both of you may require you to file a gift tax return.&nbsp;see this link for a further discussion.</P><P><A href="https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/irs-rules-real-property-sales-relatives.html" target="_blank">https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/irs-rules-real-property-sales-relatives.html</A></P> Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:11:42 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700373#M55612 HACKITOFF 2020-07-28T16:11:42Z Re: Taxes owed after selling rental property https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700395#M55613 <P>&nbsp;</P> <BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="2599009"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /> <P>I am selling rental property to a family member only for what I owe on the mortgage. What taxes if any will I owe.&nbsp; I owned the property for 17 years.</P> <HR /></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You may want to see an accountant. &nbsp;There are two issues:</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>1. When selling a rental property to anyone not related to you at fair market value, you pay capital gains tax on your gain. &nbsp;Your gain is the difference between the selling price and your adjusted cost basis.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>You can reduce the selling price by certain transactional costs of selling, such as real estate commission and transfer taxes. &nbsp;</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Your adjusted cost basis is, roughly speaking,</P> <P>The price you originally paid</P> <P>Plus the cost of permanent improvements you made (such as replacing the roof or furnace)</P> <P>Minus any depreciation you took or could have taken as a rental expense.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Let's assume you paid $50,000 originally and made $30,000 of improvements, and took $25,000 of depreciation, and you are selling for $200,000. &nbsp;Your adjusted cost basis is $55,000 so your gain is $145,000. &nbsp;The part of the gain that is attributed to depreciation is taxed as ordinary income, with a cap of 25%. &nbsp;This is called depreciation recapture, and the rate will depend on your other income, possibly 15%, 22% or 24%. &nbsp;The rest of the gain is taxed as a long term capital gain, at a rate of 15% or 20%, depending on your other income.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Your gain has nothing to do with the amount of the mortgage or the amount of proceeds you actually receive.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>2. In the case of selling to a relative at below market value, some special rules apply, which I am not familiar with. &nbsp;You may be required to pay capital gains tax as if you had sold the property at full market value to a stranger.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>What exactly is the relationship? &nbsp;</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>I will ask for some help for this part of the question. &nbsp;<LI-USER uid="9621"></LI-USER>&nbsp;<LI-USER uid="72046"></LI-USER>&nbsp;</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:57:50 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700395#M55613 Opus 17 2020-07-28T16:57:50Z Re: Taxes owed after selling rental property https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700594#M55617 <P>The IRS gets very suspicious about business transactions between relatives. Working together, relatives could engage in sham sales of business or investment property in order to produce fake tax deductible losses. The tax code contains a simple rule to prevent this: You cannot deduct a loss on the sale or trade of property, if the transaction is directly or indirectly between you and a relative.</P> <P>For these purposes, "relatives" includes your brothers and sisters, half-brothers and half-sisters, spouse, ancestors (parents, grandparents, etc.), and lineal descendants (children, grandchildren, etc.).</P> <P>So you are required to recapture the depreciation no matter what, and you will pay taxes on that recaptured depreciation up to a maximum of 25%.</P> <P>All the above is covered in IRS Publication 544 at <A href="https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p544.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p544.pdf</A></P> <P>&nbsp;</P> Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:04:38 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700594#M55617 Carl 2020-07-29T00:04:38Z Re: Taxes owed after selling rental property https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700609#M55618 <P>Fyi ... the mortgage payoff amount is immaterial to the profit or loss on the sale ... seek local professional guidance in the matter so you get it reported correctly as selling to family can be tricky at best.&nbsp;</P> Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:47:51 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700609#M55618 Critter-3 2020-07-29T00:47:51Z Re: Taxes owed after selling rental property https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700625#M55621 <P>I agree with the foregoing and urge you,&nbsp;<LI-USER uid="2599009"></LI-USER>, to seek professional guidance.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Actually, both you and the family member to whom you sold need professional guidance because the transaction appears to be part sale and part gift. In that event you and your family member should review the information at the links below.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P><A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p544#en_US_2019_publink100072606" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/publications/p544#en_US_2019_publink100072606</A></P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P><A href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.1015-4" target="_blank">https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.1015-4</A></P> Wed, 29 Jul 2020 01:17:04 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/investments-and-rental-properties/discussion/re-taxes-owed-after-selling-rental-property/01/1700625#M55621 tagteam 2020-07-29T01:17:04Z
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<P>can't say.&nbsp; &nbsp;was the family member the one that rented the property? if so, was the property rented at less than Fair Market Value.&nbsp; What's the FMV of the property vs the mortgage.</P><P>&nbsp;if the FMV is more than the mortgage you have made a gift that besides creating tax issues for both of you may require you to file a gift tax return.&nbsp;see this link for a further discussion.</P><P><A href="https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/irs-rules-real-property-sales-relatives.html" target="_blank">https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/irs-rules-real-property-sales-relatives.html</A></P>
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<P>&nbsp;</P> <BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="2599009"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /> <P>I am selling rental property to a family member only for what I owe on the mortgage. What taxes if any will I owe.&nbsp; I owned the property for 17 years.</P> <HR /></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You may want to see an accountant. &nbsp;There are two issues:</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>1. When selling a rental property to anyone not related to you at fair market value, you pay capital gains tax on your gain. &nbsp;Your gain is the difference between the selling price and your adjusted cost basis.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>You can reduce the selling price by certain transactional costs of selling, such as real estate commission and transfer taxes. &nbsp;</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Your adjusted cost basis is, roughly speaking,</P> <P>The price you originally paid</P> <P>Plus the cost of permanent improvements you made (such as replacing the roof or furnace)</P> <P>Minus any depreciation you took or could have taken as a rental expense.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Let's assume you paid $50,000 originally and made $30,000 of improvements, and took $25,000 of depreciation, and you are selling for $200,000. &nbsp;Your adjusted cost basis is $55,000 so your gain is $145,000. &nbsp;The part of the gain that is attributed to depreciation is taxed as ordinary income, with a cap of 25%. &nbsp;This is called depreciation recapture, and the rate will depend on your other income, possibly 15%, 22% or 24%. &nbsp;The rest of the gain is taxed as a long term capital gain, at a rate of 15% or 20%, depending on your other income.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Your gain has nothing to do with the amount of the mortgage or the amount of proceeds you actually receive.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>2. In the case of selling to a relative at below market value, some special rules apply, which I am not familiar with. &nbsp;You may be required to pay capital gains tax as if you had sold the property at full market value to a stranger.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>What exactly is the relationship? &nbsp;</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>I will ask for some help for this part of the question. &nbsp;<LI-USER uid="9621"></LI-USER>&nbsp;<LI-USER uid="72046"></LI-USER>&nbsp;</P> <P>&nbsp;</P>
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<P>The IRS gets very suspicious about business transactions between relatives. Working together, relatives could engage in sham sales of business or investment property in order to produce fake tax deductible losses. The tax code contains a simple rule to prevent this: You cannot deduct a loss on the sale or trade of property, if the transaction is directly or indirectly between you and a relative.</P> <P>For these purposes, "relatives" includes your brothers and sisters, half-brothers and half-sisters, spouse, ancestors (parents, grandparents, etc.), and lineal descendants (children, grandchildren, etc.).</P> <P>So you are required to recapture the depreciation no matter what, and you will pay taxes on that recaptured depreciation up to a maximum of 25%.</P> <P>All the above is covered in IRS Publication 544 at <A href="https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p544.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p544.pdf</A></P> <P>&nbsp;</P>
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<P>Fyi ... the mortgage payoff amount is immaterial to the profit or loss on the sale ... seek local professional guidance in the matter so you get it reported correctly as selling to family can be tricky at best.&nbsp;</P>
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<P>I agree with the foregoing and urge you,&nbsp;<LI-USER uid="2599009"></LI-USER>, to seek professional guidance.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Actually, both you and the family member to whom you sold need professional guidance because the transaction appears to be part sale and part gift. In that event you and your family member should review the information at the links below.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P><A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p544#en_US_2019_publink100072606" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/publications/p544#en_US_2019_publink100072606</A></P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P><A href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.1015-4" target="_blank">https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.1015-4</A></P>
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