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Solo 401k and its effect on w2, 1120S and 941

TaxFiller4 — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 00:31:35 GMT

I have a S corp. For example my total wages are $48000 on which I pay social security and Medicare
I have contributed (through my S corp):
$ 30,000 - Elective deferral Solo 401K, of which
$ 12,000 - is employee contribution (profit sharing) and
$ 18,000 - is the Employer contribution (elective deferral).

How would my W2 reflect above contribution apart from entry on 12 D.?
My questions for the pros for W2 form are-
1. What should be the amount on Box 1
2. What should be the amounts on Box 3 and 5
3. What should be the amount on Box 12 D

Questions about 1120 S form
4. Line 17 is for the profit sharing plans etc… so should It show $12000?
5. What should be on Line 8 which is for salaries & wages, Should this amount be $30000

6. What should we report on Forms 941/940 related to solo 401K?
As per above example, do we report 30,000 on Form 941 Line 2, & 48,000 on Form 941 5a, 5c?

Please help in the above situation.

You are confusing the terms: $18,000 is your elective de...

dmertz — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 00:31:37 GMT

You are confusing the terms:

$18,000 is your elective deferral
$12,000 is your employer profit sharing contribution
$30,000 is the sum of your elective deferral and your employer contribution

Regarding your W-2:

Box 1 = $30,000
Boxes 3 and 5 = $48,000
Box 12 = code D, $18,000

Form 1120S should show:

line 8 [actually line 7 for officers of the company, see comments below] = $30,000
line 17 = $30,000

Form 941:

line 2 = $30,000
Lines 5a and 5c = $48,000

I'm not familiar with Form 940, so I will refrain from commenting on that.

I am not sure that I agree with the amounts you show to b...

andy-couriel — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 00:31:39 GMT

I am not sure that I agree with the amounts you show to be reported on the 1120S. These amounts should be:

Line 7- Compensation of officers- $48,000
Line 18- Pensions, Profit share, etc- $12,000

Even though the total expense is the same at $60k, the company’s expense is $48k for wages, and $12k in Employer contributions, the reduced amount of Officer Compensation could be deemed insufficient compensation of >2% shareholders.

I agree that I should have said line 7 of Form 1120S inst...

dmertz — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 00:31:40 GMT

I agree that I should have said line 7 of Form 1120S instead of line 8 since the individual is an officer of the company, but I still think that correct amount is $30,000, with $30,000 going on line 17.  I believe that TurboTax instructs that the total of lines 7 and 8 should agree with the total reported on line 2 of Form 941 (which is the total of box 1 amounts from all Forms W-2).

The instructions for lines 7 and 8 of Form 1120S say:

"Don't include salaries and wages reported elsewhere on the return, such as amounts included in cost of goods sold,
elective contributions to a section 401(k) cash or deferred arrangement, or amounts contributed under a salary reduction SEP agreement or a SIMPLE IRA plan."

However, there is some ambiguity here since it does not say that the elective deferrals of officers *must* be shown on line 17 rather than on line 7 or 8, but I think they should be.  If Form 1125-E is required, The $18,000 of elective deferral would be included on Form 1125-E line 3 to produce $30,000 on line 4 to transfer to Form 1120S line 7.  The instructions for Form 1125-E line 3 say:

"Enter compensation of officers deductible elsewhere on the return, such as amounts included in cost of goods sold, elective contributions to a section 401(k) cash or deferred arrangement, or amounts contributed under a salary reduction SEP agreement or a SIMPLE IRA plan."

Pension, Profit-Sharing, etc., Plans is line 17 of Form 1120S, not line 18.  Line 18 is for fringe benefits paid to employees owning 2% or less of the company.

dmertz, how would this answer change if the $18,000 elect...

lonnahord — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 00:31:42 GMT

dmertz, how would this answer change if the $18,000 elective deferral were to the Roth side of the Solo 401K plan? Should we be completing Form 1125-E even if a company has receipts less than $500,000? The IRS 2017 form states it should only be filed to report detail of officer compensation for businesses with $500K or more receipts. Thanks for any clarification you can provide. These elective Roth contributions are not as common so I am hoping you can enlighten me.

Note that the term "elective deferral" refers to money fr...

dmertz — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 00:31:43 GMT

Note that the term "elective deferral" refers to money from the employee's pay that the employee instructs the employer to deposit in the traditional 401(k), exclude from box 1 of the employee's W-2 and report with code D in box 12 of the W-2.  Money from the employee's pay that the employee instructs the employer to deposit in the Designated Roth Account in the plan are not called elective deferrals but are instead called Roth contributions.  (Don't expect TurboTax to always follow this distinction between these terms; there are probably places in TurboTax where it refers to Roth contributions as Roth elective deferrals despite that being incorrect wording.)

The only difference with a contribution to the Designated Roth Account in the 401(k) is that the amount would not be included on Form 1120S line 17 because it is not deductible.  It also would not reduce the amount on line 7 for officers or line 8 for other employees.  In other words, Roth contributions will not be reflected anywhere on Form 1120S.  The only place it appears in tax reporting documents is with code AA in box 12 of the officer's or other employee's W-2.

I did not mean to suggest that Form 1125-E would be required when the entity has less than $500,000 in total receipts.  I was using the calculation method on Form 1125-E simply to justify not including elective deferrals on Form 1120S line 7 or 8 and including them on line 17 instead.

Re: You are confusing the terms: $18,000 is your elective de...

inddan — Fri, 20 Dec 2019 23:26:54 GMT

Dmertz,

Does this mean that we can use box 3 instead of box 1 to calculate the max S-Corp Employer contribution (25% of salary) to a 401(k)? That is good news since box 3 is a bigger number than box 1. I just haven't been able to find out yet which W2 box to use for determining my maximum contribution (as sole owner/employee of my S-Corp).

Thanks!

Re: You are confusing the terms: $18,000 is your elective de...

dmertz — Sat, 21 Dec 2019 00:16:02 GMT

Actually, in most cases box 5 reflects your compensation. Box 3 is limited to the Social Security wage base, $132,900 for 2019.

Re: I agree that I should have said line 7 of Form 1120S inst...

thienedits — Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:46:06 GMT

Yea there is some ambiguity in the instructions. The instructions for lines 7 and 8 of Form 1120S, the key words are "...reported elsewhere on the return...". I took that to mean that if you reported the 401k elective deferral on line 17, don't also report it under line7/8. And then Line 17 also uses the same wording "Enter the deductible contributions not claimed elsewhere on the return...". I took it to mean if you place the contribution on one of the lines, don't also include it on the other line. But from my interpretation, I would come to the conclusion that one could put the 401k employee elective deferral on line 7 or line 17.

Re: I agree that I should have said line 7 of Form 1120S inst...

dmertz — Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:26:27 GMT

The IRS permits the elective deferrals t to be reported on either line 7 or line 17. However, I believe that TurboTax Business wants to see agreement between the line 7 amount (or perhaps the sum of line 7 and line 8 amounts) and the sum of W-2 box 1 amounts. If the elective deferral is included on line 7, I think that causes TurboTax to complain of a mismatch in the sums.

Re: You are confusing the terms: $18,000 is your elective de...

CADiehl — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:34:39 GMT

So, on my W2, what number do I put in Box '16' (State wages, tips, etc.)? Should it match Box 1 of my W2, or Boxes 3 and 5?

I pay myself a salary of $42,000, I am doing $19,000 elective deferral and $6,000 employer profit sharing. I put $25,000 in my Solo 401K.

Box 1 = $23,000
Boxes 3 and 5 = $42,000
Box 12 = code D, $19,000
Box 16 = ??????????

Re: You are confusing the terms: $18,000 is your elective de...

dmertz — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:27:30 GMT

State wages should match federal wages (except perhaps in California if an HSA contribution was made through the employer; HSA contributions made through an employer to a resident of California are not excludible from state income).

Re: You are confusing the terms: $18,000 is your elective de...

IHaveABigQuestion — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 04:22:36 GMT

This is a very helpful thread @dmertz, thank you. Can you tag anyone who can answer the Form 940 part? Should box 3 on Form 940 match Box 1 of W2 (or boxes 3&5)? Then I suppose you check box 4c for Retirement /Pension?

Re: Solo 401k and its effect on w2, 1120S and 941

AliciaP1 — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 15:33:27 GMT

Box 3 on Form 940 should show ALL compensation paid to employees during the year regardless of other reporting (or taxable) limits. In the example in the original question, box 3 on the Form 940 would be $48,000. Then box 4 would be $18,000 and box 4c would be marked.

Box 3 total payments are defined by the IRS as:

Compensation, such as the following.

—Salaries, wages, commissions, fees, bonuses, vacation allowances, and amounts you paid to full-time, part-time, or temporary employees.

Fringe benefits, such as the following.

—Sick pay (including third-party sick pay if liability is transferred to the employer). For details on sick pay, see Pub. 15-A, Employer's Supplemental Tax Guide.

—The value of goods, lodging, food, clothing, and non-cash fringe benefits.

—Section 125 (cafeteria) plan benefits.

Retirement/Pension, such as the following.

—Employer contributions to a 401(k) plan, payments to an Archer MSA, payments under adoption assistance programs, and contributions to SIMPLE retirement accounts (including elective salary reduction contributions).

—Amounts deferred under a non-qualified deferred compensation plan.

Other payments, such as the following.

—Tips of $20 or more in a month that your employees reported to you.

—Payments made by a predecessor employer to the employees of a business you acquired.

—Payments to nonemployees who are treated as your employees by the state unemployment tax agency.

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Re: Solo 401k and its effect on w2, 1120S and 941

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jan 2023 17:29:06 GMT

Thanks for the specifics.

Re: Solo 401k and its effect on w2, 1120S and 941

LindaS5247 — Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:22:27 GMT

A Solo 401(k)—is a One-Participant 401(k)—is a great way to save for retirement if you’re self-employed or own a business and don’t have any full-time employees. Contributions you make to a Solo 401(k) can be deducted from your self-employment income.

It acts and is treated like any other 401(k) plan. Essentially, this plan has the sole owner and sole employee making contributions to the same one plan. This means you will report the total amount (as sole owner and sole employee) contributed as an adjustment on Schedule 1, line 16.

Here’s how to enter your Solo 401(k) contributions in TurboTax (follow the Turbo Tax prompts to correctly enter you contributions):

Sign in to your TurboTax account
Open or continue your return if you haven’t already
Locate the search bar and type self-employed retirement plans (be sure to include the hyphen)
Select the Jump to link at the top of the search results
Answer Yes to the question, Did you make a 2022 self-employed retirement plan contribution? This is found on the screen Self-Employed Retirement Plans
Answer Yes to Did you contribute to an Individual or Roth 401(k) plan?
On the next screen, enter your Elective Deferrals and any Catch-Up Contributions you made in 2022
Enter your Employer Matching (Profit Sharing) Contributions for 2022
- Note: There's no Employer Matching box for Roth 401(k)s because any matching employee contributions are pretax
If you haven’t made all your contributions for the tax year and would like TurboTax to calculate your maximum contributions for the year, check the box next to Maximize Contribution to Individual 401(k) and Continue
On the Adjusting Self-Employment Income screen, enter any changes you'd like to make to your self-employment income as it’s been calculated by TurboTax (this is rare). Enter a positive number if you’re adding an amount, and a negative number if you’re subtracting
Select Continue
If you checked the box next to Maximize Contribution to Individual 401(k), you’ll see Your Self-Employed Retirement Deduction. This screen shows the maximum amount you can contribute to your Solo 401(k) for the tax year
Answer the questions on the following screens, until you reach Your Retirement Contributions. This is a summary of the contributions you’ve made to your Solo 401(k) during the tax year
- If this page shows an excess contribution, you must withdraw the amount listed by the plan due date or face a tax penalty from the IRS
- If this page shows an amount to contribute by plan due date, you can still contribute the amount listed to your retirement plan before you max out your contributions, provided the due date hasn't already passed.

If you have any issues click here to contact Turbo Tax for assistance.