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    <title>topic Old daycare closed and cant get EIN wat can i do? in Deductions &amp; credits</title>
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    <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 03:14:23 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>nikkireeves62</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2019-06-01T03:14:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Old daycare closed and cant get EIN wat can i do?</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/tax-credits-deductions/discussion/old-daycare-closed-and-cant-get-ein-wat-can-i-do/01/83888#M9613</link>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 03:14:23 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2019-06-01T03:14:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>See IRS Pub 17 - last paragraph  https://www.irs.gov/publ...</title>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;See IRS Pub 17 - last paragraph&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;
  &lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html#en_US_2016_publink1000174406" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html#en_US_2016_publink1000174406&lt;/A&gt;
&lt;/P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;Care Provider Identification Test&lt;/EM&gt;
                           
                        
                        
                     &lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;P&gt;You must identify all persons or organizations that provide care for your child or dependent. Use Form 2441, Part I, to show
                        the information. 
                     &lt;/P&gt;
                     &lt;P&gt;If you don’t have any care providers and you are filing Form 2441 only to report taxable income in Part III, enter “none” in line 1, column (a).
                     &lt;/P&gt;
                     &lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;B&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;Information needed.&lt;/B&gt;
                              &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;To identify the care provider, you must give the provider's: 
                        &lt;DIV&gt;
                           &lt;OL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
                                 &lt;P&gt;Name,&lt;/P&gt;
                              &lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
                                 &lt;P&gt;Address, and&lt;/P&gt;
                              &lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
                                 &lt;P&gt;Taxpayer identification number. &lt;/P&gt;
                              &lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/OL&gt;
                        &lt;/DIV&gt;
                                          
                        
                              &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;If the care provider is an individual, 
the taxpayer identification number is his or her social security number 
or
                        individual taxpayer identification number. If 
the care provider is an organization, then it is the employer 
identification
                        number (EIN). 
                        
                              &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;You don’t have to show the taxpayer 
identification number if the care provider is a tax-exempt organization 
(such
                        as a church or school). In this case, enter “Tax-Exempt” in the space where Form 2441 asks for the number. 
                        
                              &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;If you can’t provide all of the 
information or if the information is incorrect, you must be able to show
 that you
                        used due diligence (discussed later) in trying 
to furnish the necessary information.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt; 
                        
                     &lt;/DIV&gt;
                     &lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;B&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;Getting the information.&lt;/B&gt;
                              &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;You can use &lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;Form W-10 to request the required information from the care provider. If you don't use Form W-10, you can get the information
                        from one of the other sources listed in the instructions for Form W-10 including: 
                        &lt;DIV&gt;
                           &lt;OL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
                                 &lt;P&gt;A copy of the provider's social security card,&lt;/P&gt;
                              &lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
                                 &lt;P&gt;A copy of the provider's completed Form W-4 if he or she is your household employee,&lt;/P&gt;
                              &lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
                                 &lt;P&gt;A copy of the statement furnished by your employer if the provider is your employer's dependent care plan, or&lt;/P&gt;
                              &lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
                                 &lt;P&gt;A letter or invoice from the provider if it shows the information. &lt;/P&gt;
                              &lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/OL&gt;
                        &lt;/DIV&gt;
                                          
                        
                              &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;
                                             &lt;SPAN&gt;
                           &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;You should keep this information with your tax records. Don’t send Form W-10 (or other document containing this information)
                        to the Internal Revenue Service.&lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;
                                          
                        
                     &lt;/DIV&gt;
                     &lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;B&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;Due diligence.&lt;/B&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;
                              &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;If the care provider information you 
give is incorrect or incomplete, your credit may not be allowed. 
However, if
                        you can show that you used due diligence in 
trying to supply the information, you can still claim the credit. 
                        
                              &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;You can show due diligence by getting 
and keeping the provider's completed Form W-10 or one of the other 
sources of
                        information just listed. Care providers can be 
penalized if they don't provide this information to you or if they 
provide
                        incorrect information.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
                     &lt;/DIV&gt;
                     &lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;B&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch32.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;Provider refusal.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/B&gt;
                              &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;If the provider refuses to give you 
their identifying information, you should report on Form 2441 whatever 
information
                        you have (such as the name and address). Enter “See Attached Statement”
 in the columns calling for the information you don't have. Then attach a
 statement explaining that you requested the information
                        from the care provider, but the provider didn't 
give you the information. Be sure to write your name and social security
 number
                        on this statement. The statement will show that 
you used due diligence in trying to furnish the necessary information. 
                        &lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 03:14:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/tax-credits-deductions/discussion/see-irs-pub-17-last-paragraph-https-www-irs-gov-publ/01/83896#M9614</guid>
      <dc:creator>macuser_22</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-06-01T03:14:25Z</dc:date>
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