topic Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination in Deductions & credits

K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

tas — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:24:47 GMT

On Box 11 of the K1 we have Code A which is excess deductions on termination. Since this closes the estate can the beneficiary's share be deducted and if so where on the return?

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

Anonymous_ — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:50:03 GMT

@tas wrote:

......can the beneficiary's share be deducted......?

Probably not because the deductions are typically those that were formerly miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% AGI floor and which have now been eliminated by tax reform (the TCJA).

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

FormerTaxPro — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 23:14:27 GMT

Proposed Regs issued May 2020 now permit deduction as a write-in on Schedule 1, Part II, line 22. Great. Now has anybody figured a way to override the total on line 22 so that the correct amount flows through to the rest of the return?

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

Anonymous_ — Sat, 10 Oct 2020 02:43:22 GMT

@FormerTaxPro wrote:

Proposed Regs issued May 2020 now permit deduction as a write-in on Schedule 1, Part II, line 22. Great. Now has anybody figured a way to override the total on line 22 so that the correct amount flows through to the rest of the return?

This is probably not going to happen in the online versions of TurboTax, but you can accomplish this task by using Forms Mode (in a desktop version), opening the Form 1040 or Form 1040-SR Worksheet, scrolling down and entering the figure in the Other Adjustments to Income Smart Worksheet section (see screenshot).

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

wmbaker3 — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 16:26:53 GMT

Here's the IRS text on this issue:

Under Proposed Regulations 113295-18 PDF, an excess deduction on termination of an estate or trust allowed in arriving at adjusted gross income (Internal Revenue Code (IRC) section 67(e) expenses) is reported as an adjustment to income on Forms 1040, 1040-SR, and 1040-NR; non-miscellaneous itemized deductions are reported, as applicable, on Schedule A (Form 1040 or 1040-SR) or Schedule A (Form 1040-NR); and miscellaneous itemized deductions are not deductible. Taxpayers may rely on the proposed regulations for tax years of beneficiaries beginning after 2017 and before the final regulations are published.

For tax year 2019, an excess deduction for IRC section 67(e) expenses is reported as a write-in on Schedule 1 (Form 1040 or 1040-SR), Part II, line 22, or Form 1040-NR, line 34. On the dotted line next to line 22 or line 34 (depending on which form is filed), enter the amount of the adjustment and identify it using the code “ED67(e)”. Include the amount of the adjustment in the total amount reported on line 22 or line 34.

For tax year 2018, an excess deduction for IRC section 67(e) expenses is reported as a write-in on Schedule 1 (Form 1040), line 36, or Form 1040-NR, line 34. On the dotted line next to line 36 or line 34, (depending on which form is filed), enter the amount of the adjustment and identify it using the code “ED67(e)”. Include the amount of the adjustment in the total amount reported on line 36 or line 34.

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

Anonymous_ — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 16:46:54 GMT

@wmbaker3 wrote:

Here's the IRS text on this issue:....

Under Proposed Regulations 113295-18 PDF....

Below is a partial screenshot of the K-1 that was redesigned with a new code for non-miscellaneous itemized deductions.

NOTE that not much has changed regarding costs incurred by the estate or trust that would normally have been incurred by a hypothetical individual; such costs are still treated as miscellaneous itemized deductions and are not currently deductible (under current tax law).

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

wmbaker3 — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 00:44:25 GMT

So even though they created a Box 11 (B) for this, is it still subject to the 2% limitation so it might be deductible if it exceeds ? Or, is it non-deductible no matter what ?

I thought I read that they would let heirs take the deduction from a terminated estate.

Thanks, WB

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

Anonymous_ — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 00:49:54 GMT

Line 11A are excess deductions that would be an adjustment to income.

Line 11B are non-miscellaneous itemized deductions.

See https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1041sk1#idm140535812805104

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

chl11942 — Fri, 15 Jan 2021 03:02:45 GMT

Thank you for this reply!

I was struggling trying to force "ED67(e)" and an amount directly into Schedule 1, Line 22 until I zoomed in and took a close and saw that it should be done via the Smart Worksheet.

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

wmbaker3 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 16:37:37 GMT

Looks like TT has automated the Excess Deduction Ruling into 2020 TT Premier. You can enter the ED at 11a in the Estate K-1 section and it will flow to Sche 1 line 22 and then to line 10a on the 1040. No change in the 2018 year so far (for amendments).

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

chl11942 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 18:35:01 GMT

Right. After TurboTax made this change, I found I needed to remove the Box 11 Code A entry I had previously made through the TurboTax Schedule 1 Worksheet to avoid counting this value twice.

Re: K1 Excess Deductions on Termination

chl11942 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 18:39:46 GMT

I should have mentioned that this update was made in TurboTax Deluxe as well.