topic Hello, I sold my life insurance policy and received $28,000. My total premiums since inception were $32,726.16. What do I need to claim....or not? in Get your taxes done using TurboTax https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inception-were-32/01/585871#M238334 <P>Hello, I sold my life insurance policy and received $28,000. My total premiums since inception were $32,726.16. What do I need to claim....or not?</P><P> <BR /> </P><P>It was sold to Coventry Direct. It was a $100,000 dollar policy minus about $3,000.00 in loans<BR /></P> Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:38 GMT hairtech0690 2019-06-05T23:15:38Z Hello, I sold my life insurance policy and received $28,000. My total premiums since inception were $32,726.16. What do I need to claim....or not? https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inception-were-32/01/585871#M238334 <P>Hello, I sold my life insurance policy and received $28,000. My total premiums since inception were $32,726.16. What do I need to claim....or not?</P><P> <BR /> </P><P>It was sold to Coventry Direct. It was a $100,000 dollar policy minus about $3,000.00 in loans<BR /></P> Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:38 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inception-were-32/01/585871#M238334 hairtech0690 2019-06-05T23:15:38Z Which year?  Did you receive a form for it for it from th... https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/which-year-did-you-receive-a-form-for-it-for-it-from-th/01/585873#M238336 Which year?&nbsp;&nbsp;Did you receive a form for it for it from the "purchaser?" Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:39 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/which-year-did-you-receive-a-form-for-it-for-it-from-th/01/585873#M238336 SweetieJean 2019-06-05T23:15:39Z <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.irs.g... https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/a-rel-nofollow-target-blank-href-https-www-irs-g/01/585877#M238339 &lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="<A href="https://www.irs.gov/irb/2009-21_IRB#RR-2009-13&quot;&gt;https://www.irs.gov/irb/2009-21_IRB#RR-2009-13&lt;/a" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/irb/2009-21_IRB#RR-2009-13"&gt;https://www.irs.gov/irb/2009-21_IRB#RR-2009-13&lt;/a</A>&gt; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:40 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/a-rel-nofollow-target-blank-href-https-www-irs-g/01/585877#M238339 SweetieJean 2019-06-05T23:15:40Z <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.lexol... https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/a-rel-nofollow-target-blank-href-https-www-lexol/01/585881#M238342 &lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="<A href="https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=792bd7c8-2c55-4d71-a0b5-9ae6da7b0287&quot;&gt;https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=792bd7c8-2c55-4d71-a0b5-9ae6da7b0287&lt;/a" target="_blank">https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=792bd7c8-2c55-4d71-a0b5-9ae6da7b0287"&gt;https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=792bd7c8-2c55-4d71-a0b5-9ae6da7b0287&lt;/a</A>&gt; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:42 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/a-rel-nofollow-target-blank-href-https-www-lexol/01/585881#M238342 Critter 2019-06-05T23:15:42Z That link requires [paid?] registration. https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/that-link-requires-paid-registration/01/585884#M238345 That link requires [paid?] registration. Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:43 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/that-link-requires-paid-registration/01/585884#M238345 SweetieJean 2019-06-05T23:15:43Z The year was 2017 and I did not receive a form for the sa... https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/the-year-was-2017-and-i-did-not-receive-a-form-for-the-sa/01/585885#M238346 The year was 2017 and I did not receive a form for the sale.....just a receipt Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:44 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/the-year-was-2017-and-i-did-not-receive-a-form-for-the-sa/01/585885#M238346 hairtech0690 2019-06-05T23:15:44Z This information is all good but, what IRS form do you fi... https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/this-information-is-all-good-but-what-irs-form-do-you-fi/01/585886#M238347 This information is all good but, what IRS form do you file on. Is there a work sheet to calculate taxable amount. Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:46 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/this-information-is-all-good-but-what-irs-form-do-you-fi/01/585886#M238347 srhipps 2019-06-05T23:15:46Z They will send you a 1099-R if any of it is taxable ... a... https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/they-will-send-you-a-1099-r-if-any-of-it-is-taxable-a/01/585888#M238349 They will send you a 1099-R if any of it is taxable ... ask the Ins company. Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:47 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/they-will-send-you-a-1099-r-if-any-of-it-is-taxable-a/01/585888#M238349 Critter 2019-06-05T23:15:47Z USA September 14 2009 A large market has developed for t... https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/usa-september-14-2009-a-large-market-has-developed-for-t/01/585892#M238351 <DIV> <DIV><DIV><A href="http://www.loeb.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></A></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> </DIV><DIV> <DIV> <SPAN><A href="https://www.lexology.com/hub/usa" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">USA</A>&nbsp;</SPAN>September 14 2009</DIV> <DIV> <P>A large market has developed for the purchase and sale of life insurance policies. An individual who has a life insurance policy he believes he no longer needs may be able to sell the policy to investors that are interested in holding the policy as an investment and ultimately collecting the death benefit. The investors pay all premiums due on the policy after their purchase. Depending upon the age of the insured at the time of the sale, he may receive a significant percentage of the death benefit amount as the sales price. You generally have to be over 65 years of age for a financial buyer to be interested and of course, the older you are, the more the buyer will pay because they will expect to collect the death benefit sooner. Until recently, there was uncertainty as to how the tax law applied to these sales transactions. The major issue was whether any gain recognized by the seller was capital gain or ordinary income.</P> <P>The IRS recently issued guidance on these issues. In&nbsp;<EM>Revenue Ruling 2009-13</EM>, the IRS addressed the income tax consequences of both surrendering a policy back to the insurer and selling it to an investor group. Where the policy is surrendered to the insurer, any payment received that is in excess of the insured’s tax basis in the policy is treated as ordinary income. For these transactions, the insured’s tax basis is the full amount of the premiums he has paid on the policy up to the time of the surrender, reduced by any untaxed amounts that he had withdrawn from the policy.</P> <P>The treatment of sale transactions is different. First, the IRS said that the insured’s basis in the policy must also be reduced by the portion of the premiums paid that is attributable to the “cost of insurance” under the policy. Many tax experts believe this position on the part of the IRS is not correct. The portion of the insured’s gain that does not exceed the cash surrender value of the policy at the time of sale is taxed as ordinary income. Any gain above that amount is treated as long term capital gain. The ruling illustrates these principles with an example. The insured had paid total premiums of $64,000 on the policy, out of which the cost of insurance was $10,000. He had not received any distributions. The cash surrender value was $78,000 and he sold the policy for $80,000. The IRS said his tax basis was the premiums paid of $64,000 reduced by the cost of insurance of $10,000 leaving a tax basis of $54,000. This resulted in tax gain of $26,000. Of this amount, $14,000 was ordinary income, determined as the difference between the cash surrender value of $78,000 and the total premiums paid of $64,000. The remaining gain of $12,000 was capital gain. On the facts of the ruling it was long term capital gain because the insured had held the policy for more than one year.</P> <P>The conclusion by the IRS that the gain in excess of the cash surrender value amount is capital gain is of course what everyone connected with this industry, as well as those who have sold policies or may be contemplating such sales, had been hoping would be the result. The certainty that capital gain is available to the sellers may make these transactions even more attractive for those who have life insurance policies they no longer need.</P> </DIV> </DIV> Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:15:48 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/usa-september-14-2009-a-large-market-has-developed-for-t/01/585892#M238351 Critter 2019-06-05T23:15:48Z Re: Hello, I sold my life insurance policy and received $28,000. My total premiums since inception were $32,726.16. What do I need to claim....or not? https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inception-were/01/952136#M342734 <P>I'm a french journalist working on a documentary about life settlements. I would like to contact you. Please write me at [email address removed]. Thank you!</P><P>François</P> Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:19:52 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inception-were/01/952136#M342734 francoispilet 2019-11-07T21:19:52Z Re: Hello, I sold my life insurance policy and received $28,000. My total premiums since inception were $32,726.16. What do I need to claim....or not? https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inception-were/01/1147798#M420901 <P>I sold my life insurane policy for $6447 and paid premiums of $567273. How do I enter that on turbo tax?</P> Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:18:24 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inception-were/01/1147798#M420901 arn4old 2020-02-13T17:18:24Z Re: Hello, I sold my life insurance policy and received $28,000. My total premiums since inceptio... https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inceptio/01/1148769#M421247 <P>A sale&nbsp;of a life insurance policy is typically a reportable event.&nbsp; Did you get a 1099-Misc or 1099-B or both showing this transaction? Those would help direct you to the place to report.</P> Thu, 13 Feb 2020 19:28:21 GMT https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inceptio/01/1148769#M421247 DMarkM1 2020-02-13T19:28:21Z
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<dc:date>2020-02-13T17:18:24Z</dc:date>
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Re: Hello, I sold my life insurance policy and received $28,000. My total premiums since inceptio...
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https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-hello-i-sold-my-life-insurance-policy-and-received-28-000-my-total-premiums-since-inceptio/01/1148769#M421247
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<P>A sale&nbsp;of a life insurance policy is typically a reportable event.&nbsp; Did you get a 1099-Misc or 1099-B or both showing this transaction? Those would help direct you to the place to report.</P>
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<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2020 19:28:21 GMT</pubDate>
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<dc:creator>DMarkM1</dc:creator>
<dc:date>2020-02-13T19:28:21Z</dc:date>
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