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    <title>topic Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward in Get your taxes done using TurboTax</title>
    <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3723118#M1379639</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;I followed your link and did sign in.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;That takes me to a page with lots of links and tons of FAQ.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But it does not directly take me to instructions I can follow to create and post my question.&amp;nbsp; How do I do that - exactly?&amp;nbsp; I am on a W10 desktop PC&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2026 21:51:11 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>cwr64</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2026-01-10T21:51:11Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3697970#M1367596</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I understand that Turbo Tax (TT) 2025 will not run on Windows 10.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; My Question is since Turbo Tax now requires that everyone get Window 11 --- will&amp;nbsp; TT 2025 still be able to translate data from a 2024 return that was completed on Windows 10 ?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Also, when doing my current year Taxes I typically open up previous year versions of Turbo Tax&amp;nbsp; --- I am assuming that capability will no longer be supported which is NOT GOOD.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;HOPEFULLY, the software developers will work some Magic so that older versions of Turbo Tax can be opened on Windows 11.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am hoping that a Turbo Tax (Intuit) customer service representative will respond to this question --- so we all get the correct information.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2025 02:04:29 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Once a year Accountant</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-18T02:04:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3697971#M1367597</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Yes to everything.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; You still will be able to transfer the .tax2024 file into 2025 usual.&amp;nbsp; And you should be able to install and run the prior&amp;nbsp; year programs too.&amp;nbsp; I recently upgraded my computer to Windows 11 from 10 and my prior year programs open.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Everything should be the same except you need Windows 11 to run Turbo Tax 2025.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;We went though the same situations in the past like going from Windows 8 to Windows 10.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Will you be upgrading your Windows 10 to 11 or getting a new computer?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2025 02:14:46 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>VolvoGirl</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-18T02:14:46Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3697983#M1367609</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Well I am hoping I can just upgrade my computer to the new Windows --- that will be something i ask geek Squad about.&amp;nbsp; My computer works fine -- so I hate to have to buy a new one ---- but I also know the game and realize that I may have too.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks for your answers --- are you 100% sure that being able to open prior year versions of TT will still be possible with Windows 11 ?&amp;nbsp; If so that is a big relief --- thanks&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2025 03:05:27 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Once a year Accountant</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-18T03:05:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3697984#M1367610</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Yes I just tried opening 2022 and 2023.&amp;nbsp; They opened fine.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2025 03:07:09 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>VolvoGirl</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-18T03:07:09Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698007#M1367622</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Though, please be aware, there is a limitation as to how far back the years of TTX desktop you could install on a new W11 computer.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Right now, you can only install back to/including the 2021 TTX software.&amp;nbsp; Years before (2020, 2019) installations won't be allowed because the license code won't be allowed even if you have it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2018 and earlier didn't have a license code, but you would need to already have the fully updated installation files to install the federal, and the state software as a separate fully-updated installation files..&amp;nbsp; The initial installation files for 2018 and earlier won't do, since they can't be updated&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2025 13:38:24 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SteamTrain</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-18T13:38:24Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698014#M1367623</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you ----- the ability to open back to the 2021 program is sufficient for me.&amp;nbsp; Good info !!!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2025 14:35:11 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Once a year Accountant</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-18T14:35:11Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698033#M1367628</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;there may be a time limit for being able to open 2021. shortly after the 2024 tax season closes later this year, Turbotax, if it follows true to form, will no longer support 2021. so you will not be able to install the app. if installed you will not be able to open it.&amp;nbsp; you should save copies of returns as pdfs to avoid this issue.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2025 16:42:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698033#M1367628</guid>
      <dc:creator>Mike9241</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-18T16:42:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698580#M1367865</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;This is not good. First, Microsoft has imposed hardware requirements that prevent MANY of us from just simply upgrading. Second, Microsoft is offering updates for a fee .. so the premise here is a bit bogus. Third, I'm finding this hard to believe. I'm open for going to on-line, but my mother passed and she doesn't have an account, which means I have to create an account for her just to do her final years' taxes. Finally .. it's AUGUST .. thanks for the advanced warning :(&lt;/img&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:02:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698580#M1367865</guid>
      <dc:creator>rdenney</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-22T14:02:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698911#M1368018</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Microsoft has extended Windows 10 security support until October 2026. This is being done free of charge. &amp;nbsp;Why is Intuit taking this ridiculous &amp;nbsp;position with Turbo Tax? &amp;nbsp; It’s going to lose 47% of its customer base.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2025 20:56:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698911#M1368018</guid>
      <dc:creator>raydec1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-24T20:56:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698968#M1368047</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;unlikely 47% of all users since online users will still be able you use W10 with a supported browser.&amp;nbsp; 7% of desktop users is a possibility but considering the pricing for online vs desktop, Intuit's revenue could increase. for 2024 $80 desktop federal and one state + fee for state efiling and can efile up to 5 returns. online federal and state $139 for one return + ? for state efiling.&amp;nbsp; so desktop users can efile 2 returns for $80 + any state efiling fees. online two returns cost $278 + any state efiling fees, so over 3 times the revenue for Intuit for those users that do multiple returns online vs desktop.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2025 06:43:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698968#M1368047</guid>
      <dc:creator>Mike9241</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-25T06:43:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698989#M1368060</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;yes most people are going to take this as another cue to just upgrade to win 11 and move on. &amp;nbsp;North America win 10 stands at 41% down from 67% since December, albeit a big push earlier in the year - maybe folks getting ahead of tariff concerns. &amp;nbsp; Desktop is 1% of Intuit's total revenue ($213mil vs $21bn), 11% of total TT 'units' (4.3mil vs. 34.9mil) while being only 4.5% of TT revenues ($213mil vs. $4.5bn), and declining 5%; while online is growing 10% annually in revenues while also shedding 1% of users. &amp;nbsp;Per their earnings press release they clearly have no problem "&lt;SPAN&gt;yielding share with lower ARPR (Average Revenue Per Return) customers" to drive revenue growth.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;EM&gt;TurboTax Online paying units grew 6 percent on share gains from higher average revenue per return (ARPR) filers. TurboTax Online units declined 1 percent and total TurboTax units declined 2 percent for the year, due to yielding share with lower ARPR customers.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://investors.intuit.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1266/intuit-reports-strong-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-fiscal-2025-results-sets-fiscal-2026-guidance-with-double-digit-revenue-growth-and-continued-operating-margin-expansion" target="_blank"&gt;https://investors.intuit.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1266/intuit-reports-strong-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-fiscal-2025-results-sets-fiscal-2026-guidance-with-double-digit-revenue-growth-and-continued-operating-margin-expansion&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2025 13:02:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3698989#M1368060</guid>
      <dc:creator>baldietax</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-25T13:02:54Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3699127#M1368121</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;This message is for intuit. I would like to inform you that Microsoft is not ending support for windows 10 as advertised. They are offering an extended security for one year for a fee of $30.00. thus for folks like me it is not practical to get rid of my computers since I cant upgrade to windows 11 due to hardware requirements, thus it is premature to us windows 10 owners not able to use the turbo tax 2025 version due to end of support of windows 10. please do your research with microsoft to verity what I stated above.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;George [removed]&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2025 15:01:44 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>gbc12</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-09-26T15:01:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3703879#M1370249</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Agree 100% with George.&amp;nbsp; I won't use Turbotax in 2025.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:24:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3703879#M1370249</guid>
      <dc:creator>Niceperson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-09-25T13:24:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3704273#M1370387</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Do you know if Window 11 home will work for 2025 Turbo Tax or do I need Windows 11 pro? I'm hearing it needs to be the pro version but I'm not sure if that is correct. And if you are currently running Windows 11 home, can you check to see if yours is 32 bit or 64 bit? Thanks!&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:32:31 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SpartyOn1521</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-09-28T17:32:31Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3704274#M1370388</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I upgraded my Windows 10 to 11. &amp;nbsp;It’s not pro. &amp;nbsp; I’ll have to check on it but I think I have 64 bit. &amp;nbsp; All my Turbo Tax programs back to 2019 still run fine and didn’t need reinstalling. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:42:59 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>VolvoGirl</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-09-28T17:42:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3706145#M1371224</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Can windows 10 still allow me to do my taxes for 2025?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:20:21 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Phdbw</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-10-10T12:20:21Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3706165#M1371231</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;a href="https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/5813133"&gt;@Phdbw&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; For 2025 we file next April 2026?&amp;nbsp; Sorry no,&amp;nbsp; you will need to upgrade or use a Windows 11 computer.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;2025 Turbo Tax Desktop Download System Requirements.&amp;nbsp; Windows 11 or later or Mac OS Sonoma 14 or later (newer).&amp;nbsp; Click on the 2025 tab at the top.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://turbotax.intuit.com/personal-taxes/cd-download/tta-system-requirements" target="_blank"&gt;https://turbotax.intuit.com/personal-taxes/cd-download/tta-system-requirements&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2025 14:27:02 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>VolvoGirl</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-10-10T14:27:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3706174#M1371236</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Having 2025 turbotax work only with windows 11 because Microsoft is not supporting windows 10 is not correct. Microsoft is implementing 3 plans to continue fir another year till October 2026. I have contacts at Microsoft and they are stating that 51% of computers still use windows 10. Also in case you didn't know Microsoft is extending the continent of Europe continuous support till Oct 2026 free of charge. Since the majority of owners still use windows 10 it would be ill advised to exclude them from using turbo tax. The overwhelming customers will leave including me. Rethink your decision&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2025 14:38:55 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>gbc12</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-10-10T14:38:55Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3706208#M1371251</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;first online users don't need W11.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Don't you think Intuit consider what it's net income loss would be and decided it didn't matter? Also, consider that desktop can do 5 returns for one price while online only 1 for more than 3 times the price.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;also consider that sooner or later other desktop tax app providers will also require W11.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2025 16:01:37 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Mike9241</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-10-10T16:01:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Windows Version Requirements Going Forward</title>
      <link>https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-windows-version-requirements-going-forward/01/3706338#M1371317</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;a href="https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/1606220"&gt;@gbc12&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;nothing has changed since August other than MS offering different options to get ESU if those are the "3 plans" you're referring to but whether ESU is $30 or $0 (or free in Europe) isn't a big deal that would influence Intuit really. &amp;nbsp;Win 10 share in US is down to 35% according to statcounter, and the Intuit decision itself will probably be pushing that share lower within TurboTax user base as most folks will likely take the cue to just sort out their upgrade sooner than later and move on.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/united-states-of-america" target="_blank"&gt;https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/united-states-of-america&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;See what happens in the final days/weeks here as Win 10 technical support other than ESU is still set to end next week, and tax prep companies release their s/w over the next month or so and we'll see final system requirements - but seems unlikely if not announced by now that Intuit would reverse position on Win 10. &amp;nbsp;Desktop s/w is only 1% of Intuit's revenue and they're focused on growing the other $20bn of their business. &amp;nbsp;They're also cleaning house on desktop Basic edition, ItsDeductible and Mac OS 13 (as usual for Mac as they have been dropping support for an OS version annually).&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:42:59 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>baldietax</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-10-11T12:42:59Z</dc:date>
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