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    <title>topic IRS audited my 2018 Taxes and claim that I must pay Self Employment Tax for SPIFF. in Get your taxes done using TurboTax</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;I am an appliance sales person and was employed by a company that allowed us to file SPIFF from the manufacturer. In 2018 I filed approx $75,000 in SPIFF. Because it was such a large amount, the IRS is saying that I was self employed, and am subject to pay Self Employment Tax. I have been fighting this for 5 years now. They told me to explain why I felt I am not subject to SET. I sent them all my 1099 MISC with all the amounts in Box 3 (not Box 7) and they basically said that was not a good enough reason. Because this has gone on so long it's ballooned into a $17000 payment that I am not convinced I need to make. They are allowing me one more opportunity to plead my case. They want me to send information on how I get paid and what SPIFF's are. Is there any documentation I can include by the IRS that says SPIFF are not subject to self employment tax.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;When I discussed it with someone from the IRS over the phone I was told that the amount raised a red flag, basically saying because I made so much in SPIFF, I must be self employed. My employment has never changed in 10 years. I have been paid the same way.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Note: I understand that SPIFF are taxable, I paid State and Federal Taxes. I am not debating whether they are taxable or not, I need proof to show the IRS that this income is not subject to Self Employment Tax.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank You&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2026 07:06:54 GMT</pubDate>
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    <dc:date>2026-02-24T07:06:54Z</dc:date>
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      <title>IRS audited my 2018 Taxes and claim that I must pay Self Employment Tax for SPIFF.</title>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;I am an appliance sales person and was employed by a company that allowed us to file SPIFF from the manufacturer. In 2018 I filed approx $75,000 in SPIFF. Because it was such a large amount, the IRS is saying that I was self employed, and am subject to pay Self Employment Tax. I have been fighting this for 5 years now. They told me to explain why I felt I am not subject to SET. I sent them all my 1099 MISC with all the amounts in Box 3 (not Box 7) and they basically said that was not a good enough reason. Because this has gone on so long it's ballooned into a $17000 payment that I am not convinced I need to make. They are allowing me one more opportunity to plead my case. They want me to send information on how I get paid and what SPIFF's are. Is there any documentation I can include by the IRS that says SPIFF are not subject to self employment tax.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;When I discussed it with someone from the IRS over the phone I was told that the amount raised a red flag, basically saying because I made so much in SPIFF, I must be self employed. My employment has never changed in 10 years. I have been paid the same way.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Note: I understand that SPIFF are taxable, I paid State and Federal Taxes. I am not debating whether they are taxable or not, I need proof to show the IRS that this income is not subject to Self Employment Tax.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank You&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2026 07:06:54 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>NinjaFamily81</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-02-24T07:06:54Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: IRS audited my 2018 Taxes and claim that I must pay Self Employment Tax for SPIFF.</title>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;You need to get local professional guidance to fight this if you are not winning the battle ... look for a tax attorney if they have sent you a notice about your right to go to tax court for this issue.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2023 19:25:02 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Critter-3</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-08-20T19:25:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: IRS audited my 2018 Taxes and claim that I must pay Self Employment Tax for SPIFF.</title>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;While not mentioned in the analysis, these Chief Counsel Advices are arguably consistent with prior IRS guidance. For example, the IRS previously had opined that, when a manufacturer pays a bonus to salespeople working for a retailer to get them to "push" its products, the bonus is not wages because it is being paid by a third party that is not the salesperson's employer. As such, the payments are income to the salespersons, but not subject to income tax withholdings or employment taxes.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;12&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;12 This is commonly called "push money." See, e.g., Rev. Rul. 70-337,1970-1 CB 191; Rev. Rul. 70-331,1970-1 CB 14.&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;my reference material indicates that rev rul 70-337 is still in effect.&amp;nbsp; however, I was unsuccessful in finding it on the internet.&amp;nbsp; the rev rul dealt with Spiffs received by an auto salesman from the manufacturer regardless of &lt;SPAN&gt;whether&lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;received directly or through the dealership.&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;the reasoning is that the salesman was not an employee of the manufacturer,&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;i agree a pro might be best but it you want to go-it-alone get a letter from the manufacturer spelling out you are not their employee and were merely renumerated for pushing their product.&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;then cite the above references.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;also note there are other threads from earlier years on this forum that come to the same conclusion that Spiffs from third parties are not SE income.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;&lt;A href="http://landeirocpa.com/IRS_forms/p3204.pdf" target="_self"&gt;http://landeirocpa.com/IRS_forms/p3204.pdf&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;if you-go-it-alone you might want to print this out and highlight the part about the income not being subject to SE-tax. though it's for auto salesmen, the same logic should apply to your situation.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2023 20:15:16 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Mike9241</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-08-20T20:15:16Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: IRS audited my 2018 Taxes and claim that I must pay Self Employment Tax for SPIFF.</title>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;I think the problem is that the 1099-MISC is not proof of what you actually did, it's only proof of the amount you were paid. &amp;nbsp;You may need to document how and why you were paid that money--for example, that you were an appliance sales person on regular salary from the appliance store. &amp;nbsp;That you sold an unusual number of appliances or you sold some unusually expensive appliances. &amp;nbsp;Do you have other business records from the appliance store? &amp;nbsp;Do you have copies of paperwork that was submitted to the manufacturer, or statements from the manufacturer, showing the appliances sold, the date, and the amount of incentive? &amp;nbsp;Can you tie those statements to other business records from the store? &amp;nbsp;Did you keep a separate diary showing what appliances you sold, on which dates, and when &amp;nbsp;the incentives were paid and the amounts?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You don't just need the 1099, you need to build a picture for the investigators of what you sold, when you sold it, and how you qualified for the incentives.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;And you need professional representation. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 15:08:34 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Opus 17</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-08-21T15:08:34Z</dc:date>
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