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What tax do I have to pay when converting an after tax IRA to a Roth IRA? I also have pre-tax IRAs which I'm not converting.

I read that the taxable portion is calculated using all my IRA accounts, but I am not converting my pre-tax IRA accounts so it doesn't make sense that they should enter into the calculation.
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What tax do I have to pay when converting an after tax IRA to a Roth IRA? I also have pre-tax IRAs which I'm not converting.

It does make sense, because all IRAs wherever held are treated as one IRA when you do something like this.

 

Form 8606 will ask you for the total year-end value of ALL IRAs.

What tax do I have to pay when converting an after tax IRA to a Roth IRA? I also have pre-tax IRAs which I'm not converting.

Sorry but you don't have a choice ...  ALL your IRA accounts are treated as ONE when making conversions and as such you cannot convert just the after tax contributions. 

dmertz
Level 15

What tax do I have to pay when converting an after tax IRA to a Roth IRA? I also have pre-tax IRAs which I'm not converting.

The tax code explicitly requires that all IRAs of an individual be treated as a single IRA with respect to the pro-rata tax calculation because the lawmakers anticipated that individuals would otherwise artificially segregate nondeductible contributions in a separate account to sidestep the pro-rata requirement, something that they did not want to allow because it defeated the intent of the pro-rata calculation.  At least the result is better than what happens when taking a nonperiodic distribution from a nonqualified annuity, which the law requires to come first from the taxable portion of the annuity.

Hal_Al
Level 15

What tax do I have to pay when converting an after tax IRA to a Roth IRA? I also have pre-tax IRAs which I'm not converting.

So, how much will be taxable?

It may best be explained by example. Let's say you have a $4,000 balance in all your existing traditional IRAs on 12-31-20 and earlier in 2020 you converted $6000 to Roth. Your balance for the year was $10,000 (the 4000 on hand at year end plus the 6000 you converted). That  balance consist of $3,000 in deductible contributions, $2,000 in previous non-deductible contributions and $5,000 in earnings (interest, dividends & capital gains). Your basis, in all your IRAs, is $2,000. Only 20% of the $6000 conversion ($1200) will be tax free . TurboTax will divide that $2,000 basis by the $10,000 balance  to arrive at the 20% tax free ratio.  $4,800  of the conversion will be taxable.

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