Situation: I have doubts about whether TurboTax is properly handling simultaneous recharacterizations and conversions of multiple IRA accounts. Need help in navigating what numbers go where for proper calculation of taxes.
2018 Info:
2019 Info:
2020 Info:
What I have done:
Questions:
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1. As long as your 2018 tax returns already reflect the traditional IRA contribution, either as deductible on Schedule 1 line 32, or as a nondeductible contribution on From 8606 line 1, you do not need to amend. 2019 TurboTax's message about amending is only for those whose 2018 tax return does not already reflect the recharacterization.
2. " Is the gain before the recharacterization from Roth to traditional really taxable?" Yes. The $272 (each) that became gains in the traditional IRA as a result of being gains transferred from the Roth IRA in the recharacterization, are taxable; the result is intended to be the same as if the original contributions were made directly to the traditional IRAs and the gains are treated as if earned in the traditional IRAs. Your 2019 Forms 8606 are correct as long as you had no money in traditional IRAs at year-end.
@nwardrip wrote:
Thank you so much for your very helpful response!
For #2, It is surprising that I will need to pay tax on the gains because the recharacterized money in the traditional IRA was immediately converted back to a Roth IRA. But, what you have described is what TurboTax is doing, and there does not appear to be any spot on form 8606 to specify gains in the basis, so it unfortunately seems to be the correct thing to do.
You said the "gain" was in the Roth that was simply transferred to the Traditional IRA, but it is still a gain.
There is no such thing as a"gain in the basis". The basis is only your own non-deductible contributions. Gains (actually earnings) are taxable whether earned in the Roth and transfered to the Traditional IRA or earned in the Traditional IRA.
1. As long as your 2018 tax returns already reflect the traditional IRA contribution, either as deductible on Schedule 1 line 32, or as a nondeductible contribution on From 8606 line 1, you do not need to amend. 2019 TurboTax's message about amending is only for those whose 2018 tax return does not already reflect the recharacterization.
2. " Is the gain before the recharacterization from Roth to traditional really taxable?" Yes. The $272 (each) that became gains in the traditional IRA as a result of being gains transferred from the Roth IRA in the recharacterization, are taxable; the result is intended to be the same as if the original contributions were made directly to the traditional IRAs and the gains are treated as if earned in the traditional IRAs. Your 2019 Forms 8606 are correct as long as you had no money in traditional IRAs at year-end.
Thank you so much for your very helpful response!
For #1, Yes, the 2018 tax return already reflects the recharacterized contribution as a nondeductible contribution in the traditional IRAs on line 1 of 8606.
For #2, It is surprising that I will need to pay tax on the gains because the recharacterized money in the traditional IRA was immediately converted back to a Roth IRA. But, what you have described is what TurboTax is doing, and there does not appear to be any spot on form 8606 to specify gains in the basis, so it unfortunately seems to be the correct thing to do.
@nwardrip wrote:
Thank you so much for your very helpful response!
For #2, It is surprising that I will need to pay tax on the gains because the recharacterized money in the traditional IRA was immediately converted back to a Roth IRA. But, what you have described is what TurboTax is doing, and there does not appear to be any spot on form 8606 to specify gains in the basis, so it unfortunately seems to be the correct thing to do.
You said the "gain" was in the Roth that was simply transferred to the Traditional IRA, but it is still a gain.
There is no such thing as a"gain in the basis". The basis is only your own non-deductible contributions. Gains (actually earnings) are taxable whether earned in the Roth and transfered to the Traditional IRA or earned in the Traditional IRA.
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