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sfbwm3293
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I put 6500 into a traditional IRA and the next day my bank moved that traditional IRA to a Roth IRA. How do I document that here in Quicken. It wants to penalize me for that.

 
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Hal_Al
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I put 6500 into a traditional IRA and the next day my bank moved that traditional IRA to a Roth IRA. How do I document that here in Quicken. It wants to penalize me for that.

Many people are doing this as a way of getting around the income limit for making a Roth contribution. But this year's contribution cannot be converted in isolation from any existing traditional (including rollover) IRA(s). It's best explained by example. Let's say you have a $95,000 balance in all your existing traditional IRAs and that balance consist of $45,000 in deductible contributions, $10,000 in previous non-deductible contributions and $40,000 in earnings (interest, dividends & capital gains). This year you make a $5000 non-deductible contribution and convert $5000 to a Roth. Only 15% of the $5000 conversion ($750) will be tax free. Your basis, in all your IRAs, is $15,000 (the previous $10,000 of non-deductible contributions plus this year's $5000 contribution). TurboTax will divide that $15,000 basis by the $100,000 balance ($95K+5K) to arrive at the 15% tax free ratio. This is the way the IRS requires it to be done. The calculations will be shown on form 8606.

See: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/retirement/drawback-one-type-roth-conversion.aspx

http://thefinancebuff.com/how-to-report-backdoor-roth-in-turbotax.html

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/2569528-how-do-i-correctly-input-a-non-deductible-traditional-ira-...

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Hal_Al
Level 15

I put 6500 into a traditional IRA and the next day my bank moved that traditional IRA to a Roth IRA. How do I document that here in Quicken. It wants to penalize me for that.

Many people are doing this as a way of getting around the income limit for making a Roth contribution. But this year's contribution cannot be converted in isolation from any existing traditional (including rollover) IRA(s). It's best explained by example. Let's say you have a $95,000 balance in all your existing traditional IRAs and that balance consist of $45,000 in deductible contributions, $10,000 in previous non-deductible contributions and $40,000 in earnings (interest, dividends & capital gains). This year you make a $5000 non-deductible contribution and convert $5000 to a Roth. Only 15% of the $5000 conversion ($750) will be tax free. Your basis, in all your IRAs, is $15,000 (the previous $10,000 of non-deductible contributions plus this year's $5000 contribution). TurboTax will divide that $15,000 basis by the $100,000 balance ($95K+5K) to arrive at the 15% tax free ratio. This is the way the IRS requires it to be done. The calculations will be shown on form 8606.

See: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/retirement/drawback-one-type-roth-conversion.aspx

http://thefinancebuff.com/how-to-report-backdoor-roth-in-turbotax.html

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/2569528-how-do-i-correctly-input-a-non-deductible-traditional-ira-...

ChristinaS
Expert Alumni

I put 6500 into a traditional IRA and the next day my bank moved that traditional IRA to a Roth IRA. How do I document that here in Quicken. It wants to penalize me for that.

Its important to know if you performed a recharacterization or a conversion. If you performed a recharacterization, then you could be taxed if you made too much money to directly contribute to a Roth.

Most customers who have their banks "change" their traditional contributions are doing conversions. The distinction makes all the difference on your taxes, and in Turbo Tax.

Entering a "back-door Roth conversion" of a traditional IRA contribution into a Roth requires 2 parts, and it will not be properly reported if both parts aren’t reflected in the program.

Step 1- You report the Traditional IRA contribution (under Deductions and Credits-IRA Contributions) and make sure you keep it nondeductible. This establishes basis on Form 8606, which you’ll need to avoid showing tax on Step 2. Never report a backdoor Roth as a Roth contribution, because it is “technically” not a Roth contribution. If your income is too high to contribute to a Roth, reporting the contribution as a Roth contribution will show a penalty. Reporting it as recharacterized is reporting it as a Roth contribution for all intents and purposes.

Step 2- Report the distribution from the Traditional IRA, which will be reported to you on Form 1099-R. You may not have this form yet, but you will get it if you did the conversion in 2016. After inputting the 1099-R, you will be asked if you converted the money to a Roth.

After you've established basis on Form 8606 (done with Step 1), it would offset the distribution on the 1099-R (Step 2).

To report the nondeductible Traditional IRA contribution:

  • click Start or Update next to Traditional and Roth IRA contributions within Deductions and Credits
  • if Roth had been checked previously, leave the checkmark and click continue until you can remove the dollar amount, then return to the first screen
  • Make sure you now check Traditional IRA contribution, and say Yes to the Traditional question
  • Put in the contribution amount
  • Make sure you do not indicate a recharacterization if it was a conversion - the former may be a taxable event, subject to a penalty
  • On the Choose Not to Deduct Contributions screen, say Yes and make the full amount nondeductible

You would not receive a penalty for making a nondeductible traditional IRA contribution, unless you don't have enough earned income.

Note: Those who don’t convert right away may have some taxable income from the appreciation of the contribution. Those who have more than "shell" IRA accounts (aka more than $0 in Traditional IRAs at the end of the year) may also experience a tax impact. Both would be reflected after entering the 1099-R (aka the distribution).

See SuperUser HalAl's response for an example of a taxable event caused by this.

Click on attachment to see a sampling of the relevant screens.


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