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qazw
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We moved and converted our personal home to a rental. We did a lot repairs and had it listed for sale first. Can I deduct repairs when it was for sale before tenants?

Repairs mostly in Feb and listed for sale, we moved March and signed with property manager in April, tenants didn't move in til June. Can I claim Feb repairs???
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Carl
Level 15

We moved and converted our personal home to a rental. We did a lot repairs and had it listed for sale first. Can I deduct repairs when it was for sale before tenants?

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER  you moved out. If you were attempting to sell the property after you moved out, then at the earliest it's the day *after* you cancelled your sales contract with the realtor.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL POPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when  the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not classified as cleaning/maintenance costs. They are instead classified as startup costs, amortized as such and depreciated over time.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are classified as startup costs, amortized as such and depreciated over time.

Startup Costs

Please note that if residential rental income is not your PRIMARY business, and your PRIMARY source of income, then your rental business is considered to be passive, and you flat out, no way, no how , are not allowed to deduct your startup costs. Period. The IRS says so. See https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rr-99-23.pdf and please take note that rental property produces “passive” income, while other types of businesses produce “active” income. Your rental property is not classified as your “active” business, unless you are a real estate professional, an active participant in the management of the property, and it provides a substantial (more than half) amount of your taxable income for the year. All three requirements must be met. There are no exceptions

Start up costs are expenses incurred while preparing the property for rent, with the express purpose being to prepare it for rent, before it is available for rent. These costs do include repair, cleaning and non-recurring maintenance cost. It does NOT include property improvements. With a normal business that produces active income (rental income is passive) you would amortize these costs over 15 years. But you can’t do that with a rental property. However, you can deduct a maximum of $5000 in startup costs in the first year the rental is available for rent, PROVIDED your total startup costs do not exeed $50,000. This is reported on line 18, “Other Expenses” of SCH E, and should be labeled “start up expenses”.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.


qazw
New Member

We moved and converted our personal home to a rental. We did a lot repairs and had it listed for sale first. Can I deduct repairs when it was for sale before tenants?

Thank you! Yes, very helpful info
Carl
Level 15

We moved and converted our personal home to a rental. We did a lot repairs and had it listed for sale first. Can I deduct repairs when it was for sale before tenants?

No you can't. Repairs are only deductible if the expense is incurred while the property is classified as a rental.

qazw
New Member

We moved and converted our personal home to a rental. We did a lot repairs and had it listed for sale first. Can I deduct repairs when it was for sale before tenants?

I was afraid of that, we had met with the property manager before but didn't sign until April after we moved out. So I guess April is when it would be classified as a rental? Also, do I split taxes and insurance with 3mo personal and 9mo rental expense?
Carl
Level 15

We moved and converted our personal home to a rental. We did a lot repairs and had it listed for sale first. Can I deduct repairs when it was for sale before tenants?

As you work this through the Rental and Royalty Income (SCH E) section of the program you must (and I can not stress this enough) read the small print on each and every screen. That small print matters - BIG TIME! I've also provided additional information for you as a first time landlord which I hope you find informative, educational and helpful.
Generally, you *should* be electing the option for the program to do the splits for you. But read that small print, as the program can not split everything no matter what you select. Take what you read "LITERALLY". If you try reading between the lines words that are not physically there in black and white, you will mess things up - guaranteed.
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