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Bonus Depreciation

I started a single member LLC last year and purchased some rental property under the businesses name. I purchased a 6000lb GVWR truck last year to use for the business. Can I report rental property income for the LLC and claim bonus depreciation  on a schedule E on my personal tax return or do I have to file a separate tax return for the LLC business to claim it.  My CPA says I have to file a separate return for the LLC if I want to claim bonus depreciation under the LLC otherwise I cannot. Is this correct?

 

She said that  I can only claim the bonus depreciation on my personal tax return if the rental income is personal income. This was not my understanding.

 

She also said I will be able to take the QBI deduction if I file a separate business return.  I thought I could take the QBI deduction for business income on a personal tax return too.

 

I did my taxes on turbo tax to compare what the CPA comes up with. Turbo Tax allowed me to write of the entire cost of the vehicle on the schedule E and claim the QBI deduction.

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5 Replies

Bonus Depreciation

a single member llc does not file a separate return....it is disregarded for tax purposes......you can take bonus depreciation and also the qbi deduction if you qualify.

Anonymous
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Bonus Depreciation

I would suggest trying a different CPA next year 

 

halpalms is correct about not filing a return for the LLC.  as to the truck, you are only allowed to deduct the portion of the cost that relates to the business usage.  if TT allowed the full cost as bonus depreciation, you are telling TT that all the mileage was for your rental properties and therefore there was no personal miles.         

Bonus Depreciation

Thank you for your responses. I'm aware of the business % use. I've used turbotax to file my taxes for years. This year I decided to hire a CPA since the taxes were going to be more complicated but still did them on Turbotax to compare what she comes up with. It's very concerning when a CPA you have to pay tells you things which by my understanding and your responses don't make sense. Especially after all the tax planning I did last year.  I"m not sure how to respond without offending her and what to do next. She hasn't filed yet and I suppose I can revert to turbotax or hire a new CPA. I'm also thinking of asking her to provide  tax code references which preclude use of these deductions on a personal tax return.

Carl
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Bonus Depreciation

The bonus depreciation is not a problem, provided you keep in mind it must be "in line with" the business use percentage of the vehicle.

But I do question some things from your CPA. A single member LLC does not and can not file a separate tax return. Period. The IRS considers a single member LLC to be a disregarded entity. That's why all LLC income/expenses are reported on SCH C as a part of your personal 1040 tax return.

Then to add to the mix, rental income is reported on SCH E *no* *matter* *what*. So if the rental property is the only thing your LLC has that produces income, you won't be filing a SCH C at all. All of your rental income/expenses will be reported on SCH E as a part of y our 1040 tax return.

Now if you elected to file IRS Form 2553 to have your LLC "treated like an S-Corp", that's a different matter. First understand that the treatment of an LLC "like an S-Corp" is for *tax* *purposes* *only* and absolutely nothing else. In order for your business to be treated like an S-Corp, it must "act" like an S-Corp and follow all the laws, rules and regulations of your state required of an S-Corp. While the S-Corp will file it's own physically separate 1120-S Corporate return, the rental income/expenses will still be reported on SCH E as a part of that corporate return.

Then the corporation will issue the owner(s) a K-1 and that K-1 will be used for completing the owner's personal 1040 tax return. Data from the K-1 will end up on page 2 of the SCH E on the owner's personal 1040 tax return. So you see, all rental income and expenses is reported on SCH E *no* *matter* *what*.

So if your CPA is telling you that you can report your single member LLC income separately, either they're not telling you everything you need to know, or they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Maintaining an S-Corp can be costly and time consuming for you, and it's a great way for a CPA to have a guaranteed client.

Additional Information For Rental Property Owners

Occasionally a rental property owner will be “convinced” they need to put their rental property into an LLC (be it single owner or multi-owner LLC) as a means of protecting themselves and their personal assets from legal litigation should they ever be sued by a tenant. The property owner is told the LLC gives them and their personal assets a “veil of protection” from any legal litigation that may arise as the result of legal actions perpetrated by a rental tenant. Nothing could be farther from the truth.  If you check court records (even in your local area) you’ll probably find numerous cases where a tenant sued their landlord and the LLC provided practically no protection of the property owner’s assets. That “veil of protection” supposedly offered by an LLC is so thin, even a new first time lawyer has no problem piercing that veil and attacking the personal assets of the property owner on behalf of the tenant. There are other problems and issues with this too.

In order to legally transfer ownership of rental property to an LLC, the owner must have the permission of the mortgage holder. No lender in their right mind will give this permission either. Even if you think you can refinance the property or “sell” it to your LLC, unless your LLC has the cash on hand to pay for it in full, your LLC will never qualify for the mortgage loan. The lender doesn’t want to risk your LLC going under (by filing bankruptcy for example), and they lose money because of it. So I’m confident in telling you, that’s not going to happen.

When you create an LLC for your rental property, it’s generally understood that business income gets reported on SCH C as a part of your personal tax return. However, a SCH C business produces “earned” income, and a rental property produces “passive” income. What’s the difference?

Earned income is income which you have to do out and “do something” in order to earn it. This income is subject to regular income tax, and also an additional 12.6% self-employment tax. The SE tax is basically the employer side of your social security and Medicare. But rental income is not “earned” income, and therefore is not reported on SCH C. So if you create an LLC for your rental property, then absolutely nothing concerning that rental property will be reported on SCH C. Not one penny of rental income and not one penny of rental expenses.

Rental income is “passive”. That’s because all you do with rental property on a recurring basis is just “sit there” and collect the rent every month. You are not “doing anything” to “earn” it on a recurring basis. That’s why rental income is reported on SCH E. Rental income is subject to regular tax, but is NOT subject to the additional self-employment tax. This means that rental income DOES NOT COUNT for your social security account or Medicare contributions.

SO if you create an LLC for your rental property, there are two things that will NOT happen.
 - You will not be able to “legally” transfer ownership of the property from you, to the LLC unless you have a really dumb lender.
 - You will not report one penny of rental income or one penny of rental expense on SCH C.

So in the end, you will be filing a zero income/expense SCH C with your personal tax return.

Now let’s say you decide to file the 8832 to treat your LLC like an S-Corp, and then you transfer ownership of the property to your LLC. You can and will report your rental income on SCH E as a part of the 1120-S Corporate Return, and you will also report the K-1 on SCH E as a part of your personal tax return. But keep in mind that this is for ***TAX PURPOSES ONLY!!!****. So if a tenant sues you, I seriously doubt the courts will recognize your S-Corp, and I seriously doubt the court will recognize the S-Corp as a physically separate owner of the property. Remember, that 8832 Entity Classification Election is for “TAX PURPOSES ONY”. It has no weight at all for any and all other legal purposes – such as you being sued by a tenant.

SO if you want to do this (and it still makes no financial sense) then form an actual S-Corp and transfer ownership of the property to the S-Corp. More than likely the lender won’t allow the transfer. But you can sell the property to the S-Corp if the S-Corp can qualify for a mortgage loan.  Overall though, it’s still financially dumb to do this. Here’s why I say that.

When you move out of your primary residence and convert it to residential rental real estate, you have to convert your homeowner’s insurance policy to a rental dwelling policy. Or if you buy the real estate as rental property outright, then you have to obtain a rental dwelling policy at that time.  A rental dwelling policy will, at a minimum, include $300,000 of liability coverage. For most that will suffice. But if the property is in certain areas of the country you may want more liability coverage. I have three rentals myself and have a total of $1,000,000 of liability on each. It cost me less than an additional $100 a year on the insurance for each property. So for me, it’s worth it. It’s also significantly cheaper not only in money, but in time spent dealing with corporate taxes and all that other additional paperwork crap.

One mistake I see quite often is that when an owner converts their primary residence or 2nd home to rental property, and they fail to update their insurance policy. This can bite when you have a claim. If the property is insured as your primary residence, but you are using it as rental property (which is other than it’s insured use) don’t be surprised when the insurance company denies your claim, and you can’t find any lawyers that will take your case.  If it’s a case of you being sued by a tenant, then to be honest and put it bluntly, you’re screwed.

Bonus Depreciation

Thanks for the detailed response. I too like others created an LLC for legal protection. Regarding bonus depreciation would this also be claimed on the schedule E. Need to check but I think that's how turbo tax handled it.

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