I rent a property and airbnb it. Average length of stay for the year is less than 7 days so it qualifies as active participation and losses should offset W2 income. I don't see a way to enter this in turbotax so the losses can offset W2 income. Please note, I RENT the place and don't own it.
I see another forum discussion debating about whether to put this on schedule C or schedule E. I don't even see an option to put a property that I rent (not own) on schedule E in TT. Schedule C allows me to record expenses but doesn't allow losses to offset W2 income. Anyone know how to do this? I'm using TT Online DYI Premium.
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TurboTax can accommodate rental income entry on your rental activity. You are not required to own the property you rent out, however there will be no real estate (building) you would depreciate since you do not own the real estate rental property. You will be asked if you actively participate and whether it was rented at fair rental value.
In the Schedule E Rental Property Info section, answer 'Yes' to the Property Ownership question, even though you rented the property. This allows you to report all rental income and claim all rental expenses for your rental property.
When you enter the days rented be sure you enter zero for the days of personal use if you never used the property.
Assets you purchased for use in the rental for the clients can be used for depreciation if they have more than a one year life. Any ordinary and necessary expenses will be a current deduction.
When you have a rental that has an average stay of 7 days or less, and you also put in enough hours for material participation (100 hours/year on it if no one else spends more time on it than you do, or 500 hours/year if anyone spends more time on it than you do), then it qualifies to be treated as non-passive, and that's when it can offset your W-2 income. This is what is sometimes called the STR loophole or the STR tax strategy. Unfortunately, TurboTax still doesn't handle this situation. There's a way to do it in TurboTax Desktop if you go to Forms mode, but there isn't a way to do it at all with TurboTax Online, unfortunately.
This isn't called "active participation", that's something different in the tax code, which is related to how you qualify for the $25,000 loss allowance if your total gross income is under $150,000 for the year (it phases out starting at $100,000). But if your income is under $150,000, then that's a different way you may qualify to offset some or all of your rental losses.
If you reported as a Schedule C business in TurboTax instead, that should actually let your losses offset your W-2 income, as long as you select the option to specify that you materially participated. The problem with doing it that way is it's not technically correct since a rental property shouldn't go on Schedule C unless you provide what is called "substantial services," which means things like daily cleanings during guest stays or providing entertainment or meals to guests during their stay. So if you reported on Schedule C and you don't provide those kinds of services, then they could disallow your loss if you are audited.
You mentioned that you are doing rental arbitrage. Yes, you can use these same strategies with rental arbitrage, and the same rules about material participation and the Schedule E, etc., all still apply. The only difference is you can't claim depreciation when you don't own the property, but you can claim the rent you pay on the property as an expense.
Ok well Turbotax, can you please add the ability to do this in Turbotax Online? This is a feature that people have been asking for for years based on my research in other threads and if you don't add this for the 2025 version I will have to take my business elsewhere.
TurboTax can accommodate rental income entry on your rental activity. You are not required to own the property you rent out, however there will be no real estate (building) you would depreciate since you do not own the real estate rental property. You will be asked if you actively participate and whether it was rented at fair rental value.
In the Schedule E Rental Property Info section, answer 'Yes' to the Property Ownership question, even though you rented the property. This allows you to report all rental income and claim all rental expenses for your rental property.
When you enter the days rented be sure you enter zero for the days of personal use if you never used the property.
Assets you purchased for use in the rental for the clients can be used for depreciation if they have more than a one year life. Any ordinary and necessary expenses will be a current deduction.
Thanks for the answer. I'm trying to enter it on my schedule E but I'm at a part where Turbotax is asking me if I purchased the property or acquired it in a different way. If I say a different way, the options are that I inherited it, it was a gift, or it was a like kind exchange, or Other. I am planning to mark Other, but this still doesn't feel quite right to me since it still seems to imply that I own the property, when actually I'm a renter here. Any advice?
You should answer "other" as the other categories mentioned don't apply. It doesn't matter that you rent the property since you won't be depreciating it.
Thank you, also, can I get your thoughts about whether this should show up on schedule C or E? I'm a bit confused because my average length of guest stay for the year was 6.3 (so less than 7) and I did sometimes bring the guests treats, towels, and/or other supplies during their stay but I didn't do daily cleaning so I don't know if this passes the "substantial services" test.
I overall have about a $22K loss from the STR activity that I'd like to use to offset W2 income. Does it matter if I put it on schedule C vs E?
Yes, put this on Schedule C because this is not a rental activity. It's a business. This is because the average stay is 7 days or fewer. Schedule E is designed to report long-term rental properties.
That's a very common misconception, so common that I have a standard block of text that I wrote that I paste in discussions whenever this comes up.
Rentals, including short-term rentals usually go on Schedule E. There are only two situations when rental income can go on Schedule C. One is "substantial services" (such as providing meals or daily cleanings *during* guest stays, which is rare). The other rare exception is for a real estate dealer (such as someone flipping houses) with incidental rent income during a flip.
Some of the confusion comes from the "STR loophole" or "STR tax strategy" which allows you to deduct rental tax losses from your regular income if the average stay is 7 days or less and you qualify for the material participation rules. But even when using that exception to classify STR income as non-passive, it still doesn't go on Schedule C, it still goes on Schedule E. The difference is that the tax loss isn't limited by the passive activity rules on form 8582. All professional tax software has an option to specify that rental income is non-passive, and that will cause the Schedule E tax loss for that activity to bypass form 8582. That's how you do it, not by putting it on Schedule C. Unfortunately, TurboTax Online has no way to handle this correctly. TurboTax Desktop can do it by choosing some options in forms mode. This is one of a couple issues TurboTax has with unfortunately still not handling short-term rentals correctly.
For anyone who wants an IRS source for this information, the instructions for form 8582 have a well written explanation of it, so I would recommend reading the "Rental Activities" section of that for a clear explanation of that. References for this include the Schedule E instructions about Line 3 (specifically, the paragraph that starts with "Generally, rental real estate activity is reported on Schedule E..."), IRS Tax Topic No. 414 which details when to use Schedule C for rentals, and IRS Letter Ruling 202151005 which details when self-employment tax is applicable to rentals (which is equivalent to choosing Schedule C vs. Schedule E).
I should say that many tax pros do still put STRs on Schedule C. In fact, most of us used to think STRs should go on Schedule C, and the more widespread understanding of how to do this correctly has just come about in the past several years.
If you want a technical tax code-level explanation, when a rental activity has an average stay of 7 days or less, then it is no longer defined as a rental activity under the passive activity loss rules in § 469 and § 1.469-1T(e)(3)(ii)(A). But that only applies to section 469. It is, however, still defined as a rental activity under § 1402 and § 1.1402(a)-4, which excludes it from being subject to self-employment tax. Self-employment tax is the defining differentiator in separating activities between IRS Schedule C and Schedule E, and that's why the instructions for those forms specify that rental activities without substantial services don't go on Schedule C.
"I did sometimes bring the guests treats, towels, and/or other supplies during their stay but I didn't do daily cleaning so I don't know if this passes the substantial services"
A note about this specific situation, there are tax court cases and IRS publications that go through various examples. There are situations where it's clear-cut. But from your description, I don't know if I could say for sure if that would be judged to be substantial services or not. I would say if that came up in a tax court case, it would probably come down to a judgement call involving factors like how frequently you went to the property during guest stays to provide those items, but it would probably have to be close to an everyday or maybe every other day for it to qualify. The way we think about this is whether it is an activity that is more like a rental activity, or if it's more like the operations of a something that is operated like a hotel business.
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