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January 22, 2023
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After-tax Portion of Pension Direct Rollover to Traditional IRA

  • January 22, 2023
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I elected a pension lump-sum traditional direct rollover into an eligible traditional IRA at my Institution.

A portion of this lump-sum rollover was after-tax contributions and not subject to tax.

My Institution placed this after-tax portion into a ROTH account.

For this non-taxable portion, I received a 1099-R with block 2a taxable portion = to block 1 gross distribution, block 2b taxable amount not determined was checked and block 7 distribution code was 2 with IRA box checked.

How do I enter this into Turbotax so this after-tax portion is not considered taxable income?  Would it be similar Turbotax steps for a backdoor ROTH?

    Best answer by dmertz

    This Form 1099-R is reporting a Roth conversion from a traditional IRA to a Roth IRA.   This indicates that the entire lump-sum distribution from the pension plan was rolled over to a traditional IRA and then a Roth conversion was performed on a portion of the amount in the traditional IRA.  Unfortunately, because the after tax portion of the pension distribution was first rolled over to the traditional IRA, the nontaxable amount of the Roth conversion is in the same proportion as the after-tax basis is to the entire traditional IRA.  This means that only some of your after-tax basis applies to the Roth conversion and the rest of your after-tax basis remains with your traditional IRAs to be applied proportionately to future traditional IRA distributions.

     

    For the entire after-tax basis to have applied to the Roth conversion, the after-tax basis in the pension plan needed to be rolled over directly to the Roth IRA in a split rollover, not first rolled over to the traditional IRA and subsequently converted to Roth.

     

    After entering the code-2 Form 1099-R, click the Continue button on the page that lists the Forms 1099-R that you entered.  When TurboTax asks, indicate that you made and tracked nondeductible contributions to your traditional IRAs.  on the next page, click the EasyGuide button.  Mark the box to indicate that you transferred money from  an employer's retirement plan in 2022 or a previous year, click Continue, then enter the amount of net after-tax basis that came from your pension plan.  TurboTax will prompt you to enter an explanation of the amount of this after-tax basis and how it came to be in your traditional IRAs.  TurboTax will include this amount on Form 8606 line 2 when calculating the taxable amount of your Roth conversion.  On a page that follows, be sure to enter the total year-end value of your traditional IRAs.

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    dmertzAnswer
    Level 15
    January 23, 2023

    This Form 1099-R is reporting a Roth conversion from a traditional IRA to a Roth IRA.   This indicates that the entire lump-sum distribution from the pension plan was rolled over to a traditional IRA and then a Roth conversion was performed on a portion of the amount in the traditional IRA.  Unfortunately, because the after tax portion of the pension distribution was first rolled over to the traditional IRA, the nontaxable amount of the Roth conversion is in the same proportion as the after-tax basis is to the entire traditional IRA.  This means that only some of your after-tax basis applies to the Roth conversion and the rest of your after-tax basis remains with your traditional IRAs to be applied proportionately to future traditional IRA distributions.

     

    For the entire after-tax basis to have applied to the Roth conversion, the after-tax basis in the pension plan needed to be rolled over directly to the Roth IRA in a split rollover, not first rolled over to the traditional IRA and subsequently converted to Roth.

     

    After entering the code-2 Form 1099-R, click the Continue button on the page that lists the Forms 1099-R that you entered.  When TurboTax asks, indicate that you made and tracked nondeductible contributions to your traditional IRAs.  on the next page, click the EasyGuide button.  Mark the box to indicate that you transferred money from  an employer's retirement plan in 2022 or a previous year, click Continue, then enter the amount of net after-tax basis that came from your pension plan.  TurboTax will prompt you to enter an explanation of the amount of this after-tax basis and how it came to be in your traditional IRAs.  TurboTax will include this amount on Form 8606 line 2 when calculating the taxable amount of your Roth conversion.  On a page that follows, be sure to enter the total year-end value of your traditional IRAs.

    coastalAuthor
    Level 2
    January 23, 2023

    The Pension administrators refused to issue two checks- they stated you must select a ROTH or a traditional IRA rollover and then split the funds at your institution.  The lump sum was deposited into a traditional IRA account, then the after-tax contribution portion was transferred to ROTH within 3 business days.  Since there were no earnings on this transfer of after-tax funds, is there any option to treat it similar to a backdoor ROTH conversion?

    Level 15
    January 23, 2023

    There is no way to treat the rollover and conversion in any way other than as I previously described.  The tax code prohibits you from applying all of the basis to this Roth conversion.

     

    If the administrator would not issue two direct rollover checks, the only possible option would have been to do a direct rollover to a traditional IRA of the pre-tax portion and take a cash distribution of the after-tax portion, then complete the rollover to the Roth IRA indirectly, if the pension plan would permit splitting the distribution in that way.  See IRS IRS Notice 2014-54:  https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-54.pdf