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Level 3
March 5, 2022
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1098T/1099Q daughter now not claiming

  • March 5, 2022
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Hello - 

My daughter graduated college May 2021.   We will not be claiming her for the 2021 tax year.

 

She received 1098T for school.  I received the 1099Q for that amount in my SS#.  

She also received 1099Q for her room and board which I input on hers as well.

How do I input information in two different returns?

 

If i input just her 1099Q on her return she gets quite a different return amount than if i add mine on her return.  

 

As far as ours, it doesn't change much.  What is the correct way to proceed?

Thanks

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    Level 3
    March 5, 2022

    I'll be watching for helpful responses you get. I'm still not confident how to handle this, we're in similar boat. Daughter has aged out of being a dependent, still an undergrad, we have 1098-T for her return, and 1099-Q was in my name. Her qualified educational expenses >> 1099-Q withdrawal for which I was recipient.

    Hal_Al
    Level 15
    Level 15
    March 5, 2022

    It depends on the numbers.  Essentially, you get to decide how you allocate the educational expenses. 

    There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

    1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
    2. Use them to claim an education credit
    3. Allocate them to the 529 distributions (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable. You may split the expenses between you for the two distributions.  You're not locked in because you matched her amount to R&B.  

    Provide the following info for more specific help:

    • Box 1 of the 1098-T
    • box 5 of the 1098-T
    • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
    • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
    • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
    • Box 1 of your  1099-Q
    • Box 2 of your 1099-Q
    • Box 1 of student's  1099-Q
    • Box 2 of student's 1099-Q
    • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge. If the student lives at home, only the school's board charge for on campus students. 
    • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
    • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
    • is the student trying to claim the tuition credit?
    • Did you already claim the American Opportunity Credit the maximum 4 times allowed?
    • Was the student an undergrad or grad student?

    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    Separate issue: Are you sure you cannot claim the student as a dependent?

    Graduation year 

    If he/she was a student (under 24) for at least 5 months and lived with you for more than half the year, and did not provide more than 1/2 his own support for the whole year, you can still claim him. Be sure he knows you're claiming him, so he doesn't claim himself. He can only be claimed once. But, he can "file taxes" without claiming his own exemption.

    The real question is who should be claiming him in this "transition" year to adulthood. You two have to agree on who is going to claim his exemption. Each should do their taxes both ways and see which way the family comes out best.  Even then, you have to meet the rules. The rule is that a child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” dependent, regardless of  his income, if:

    1. he is a full time student under 24 for at least 5 calendar months of the year (graduating in May usually means you meet the 5 month rule)
    2. he did not provide more than 1/2 his own support  (scholarships are considered 3rd party support and not support provided by the student). 
    3. lived with the parent (including time away at school) for more than half the year

     

    So, it usually hinges on  "Did he provide more than 1/2 his own support in 2021.

    The support value of the home you provided is the fair market rental value of the home plus utilities & other expenses divided by the number of occupants. IRS Publication 501 on page 20 has a worksheet that can be used to help with the support calculation. See: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p501.pdf  (page 15)

     

     

    Level 3
    March 5, 2022

    Please see my answers below - thanks.

     

    It depends on the numbers.  Essentially, you get to decide hoe you allocate the educational expenses. 

    There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

    1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
    2. Use them to claim an education credit
    3. Allocate them to the 529 distributions (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable. You may split the expenses between you for the two distributions.  You're not locked in because you matched her amount to R&B.  

    Provide the following info for more specific help:

    • Box 1 of the 1098-T   $13,374
    • box 5 of the 1098-T   $285
    • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5   none
    • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)   no
    • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition   no
    • Box 1 of your  1099-Q   $4781
    • Box 2 of your 1099-Q     $935
    • Box 1 of student's  1099-Q   $119
    • Box 2 of student's 1099-Q    $23
    • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge. If the student lives at home, only the school's board charge for on campus students.   $9000
    • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers   $400
    • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources   $8500
    • is the student trying to claim the tuition credit?   yes
    • Did you already claim the American Opportunity Credit the maximum 4 times allowed?  no
    • Was the student an undergrad or grad student?  undergrad

    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    Separate issue: Are you sure you cannot claim the student as a dependent?  Yes, I am sure.  She was 24 years old on 12/31/20, so was never under 24 in TY21.

    Graduation year 

    If he/she was a student (under 24) for at least 5 months and lived with you for more than half the year, and did not provide more than 1/2 his own support for the whole year, you can still claim him. Be sure he knows you're claiming him, so he doesn't claim himself. He can only be claimed once. But, he can "file taxes" without claiming his own exemption.

    The real question is who should be claiming him in this "transition" year to adulthood. You two have to agree on who is going to claim his exemption. Each should do their taxes both ways and see which way the family comes out best.  Even then, you have to meet the rules. The rule is that a child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” dependent, regardless of  his income, if:

    1. he is a full time student under 24 for at least 5 calendar months of the year (graduating in May usually means you meet the 5 month rule)
    2. he did not provide more than 1/2 his own support  (scholarships are considered 3rd party support and not support provided by the student). 
    3. lived with the parent (including time away at school) for more than half the year

     

    So, it usually hinges on  "Did he provide more than 1/2 his own support in 2021.

    The support value of the home you provided is the fair market rental value of the home plus utilities & other expenses divided by the number of occupants. IRS Publication 501 on page 20 has a worksheet that can be used to help with the support calculation. See: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p501.pdf  (page 15)

    Hal_Al
    Level 15
    Level 15
    March 5, 2022

    @Rusty Shackleford 

    You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit.  You do  have plenty. 

    On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

     

    Make it easy on your self, don't enter anything on your return.  No 1099-Q, no 1098-T.

     

    If you insist, it's actually easier when the student is not your dependent.  After entering the 1099-Q, you'll get a screen to enter the expenses (don't enter them later in the education interview). Reduce the tuition by the $4000 she will use to claim the credit and the reduce  room  &   board by the $119 she will use for her 1099-Q.

     

    The same advice on her return: Don't enter the 1099-Q, at all.  Enter the 1098-T, at education expenses to claim the American Opportunity Credit.