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I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

 
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rjaeger
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I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

Your distribution from the 529 may have exceeded your Adjusted Qualified Expenses and caused the excess to become taxable.  You can look for the taxable amount on Form 1040, Schedule 1, Line 8.

I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

it can get complicated.,,, please post your Box 1 and Box 5 amounts on the 1098T; please post your Box 1 amount on the 1099Q. 

 

are you the parent or the student? if the student, CAN YOU BE (not are you) a dependent of your parents.

 

Are you eligible for AOTC? 

 

I will show you the math, 

I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

Filing student return

1098T box 1 total expense 16000 box 5 scholarships 5000 Net tuition expense is 11000

1099Q box 1 is 5500 

Other school expenses are 6000

Even if parent takes Hope credit for 4000, the 1099Q distribution does not exceed expenses.

Why is Turbo Tax including 1099Q money as taxable income?

I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

Let's try to make this simple, as TT's approach to accomodate the IRS requirements make it difficult.

 

You are NOT required to submit the 1099Q into TT.  You are only required to determine whether Box 2 on the 1099Q is taxable to you.

 

1) the net of the 1099T is $11,000

2) Since you are eligible for the AOTC tax credit, that consumes $4,000 of the remaining $11,000, leaving $7000.

3) Since the $7000 (let alone you have another $6000 in expenses), exceeds box 1 of the 1099Q of $5500, you have proven that Box 2 on the 1099Q is NOT taxable.  Just take your documentation and maintain it with your files.  Delete the 1099Q in TT and move on.

 

 

I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

Thanks NCperson, Your explanation matches my understanding. I will proceed accordingly. 

Does anybody from Turbo Tax monitor this forum? 

Why doesn't Turbo Tax just do the right thing? They've asked all the questions. They have all the numbers.

I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

BTW, I re-read your post and are you the student? it wasn't clear.  If your parents CAN claim you (doesn't matter if they do or not, the issue is whether then can), then the 1098T and the related AOTC credits go on THEIR return.  You are not eligible for AOTC if you CAN be a dependent on your parent's return.

 

(the advice on the 1099Q is the same - regardless of for the parent or the student - just maintain the documentation in a drawer somewhere). 

I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

Wow, @NCperson thanks for your reply. Identical situation and results here. My numbers:

1) Net of 1098-T (tuition expenses paid) is $13974

2) That exceeds box 1 of my 1099-Q ($12,047).

3) ...so that shows that 100% of the funds from the 529 distro were used for education, and therefore not taxable, and therefore not required to be reported...right?

 

Am I processing this correctly? Because if I am, it increases my return by $1400! 😱🎉🙌

sno7

I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

all of which begs two bigger questions:

1. Do you have a tip jar (no, seriously)?

2. Why would TurboTax force the entry of a superfluous document (like this 1099-Q) and/or miscalculate this so badly? I've used them for years, but this has seriously rattled my confidence! 😳

Carl
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I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

529 distributions are not "quite" treated the same as scholarships & grants. Please read the below through three times.

The first time you read it, that's just to familiarize yourself with the contents.

The 2nd time you read it, mark a line through all that does not apply to *your* specific and explicit situation.

The 3rd time you read it, only read what *does* apply to your situation.

College Education Expenses

Colleges work in academic years, while the IRS works in calendar years. So the reality is, it takes you 5 calendar years to get that 4 year degree. With that said:

 - Scholarships and grants are claimed/reported as taxable income (initially) in the year they are received. It does not matter what year that scholarship or grant is *for*

- Tuition and other qualified education expenses are reported/claimed in the tax year they are paid. It does not matter what year they pay *for*.

Understand that figuring out who claims the student as a dependent, and determining who claims the education expenses & credits, is two different determinations. It depends on the specific situation as outlined below. After you read it, I have also attached a chart at the bottom. You can click on the chart to enlarge it so you can read it. If it’s still to hard to read on your screen then right-click on the enlarged image and elect to save it to your computer. Then you can double-click the saved image file on your computer to open it, and it will be even easier to read.

Here’s the general rules gisted from IRS Publication 970 at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p970.pdf Some words are in bold, italicized, or capitalized just for emphasis. This is because correct interpretation by the reader is everything. Take the below contents LITERALLY, and do not try to “read between the lines”. If you do, you’ll interpret it incorrectly and risk reporting things wrong on your taxes. For example, there is a vast difference between “can be claimed” and “must be claimed”.  The first one indicates a choice. The second one provides no choice.

Now there are two separate determinations to be made here.

  • Who claims the student as a dependent.
  • Who reports all the education expenses and claims all the education credits.

 

First, who claims the student as a dependent?

If the student:

Is under the age of 24 on Dec 31 of the tax year and:

Is enrolled in an undergraduate program at an accredited institution and:

Is enrolled as a full time student for any one academic semester that begins during the tax year, (each institution has their own definition of a full time student) and:

the STUDENT did NOT provide more that 50% of the STUDENT’S support (schollarships/grants received by the student ***do not count*** as the student providing their own support)

Then:

The parents qualify to claim the student as a dependent on the parent's tax return . Period, End of Story. But one thing I want to point out here. The parents *QUALIFY* to claim the student. The parents are *NOT* required to claim the student as a dependent. But even if they don’t, since they *qualify* to claim the student, then if the student will be filing their own tax return the student is *REQUIRED* to select the option for “I can be claimed on someone else’s return”.  To reiterate:

If the student qualifies to be claimed on the parent’s tax return, then the student can not take the self-exemption on their own tax return, no …matter…what.

 

Who reports all the education expenses and claims all the credits?

If (and only if) the parents qualify to claim the student as a dependent, *and* the parents actually are claiming the student as a dependent, then:

The parents will claim all schollarships, grants, tuition payments, and the student's 1098-T on the parent's tax return and:

The parents will claim all educational tax credits that qualify.

If the student will be filing a tax return and:

The parents qualify to claim the student as a dependent, then:

The student must select the option for "I can be claimed on someone else's return", on the student's tax return. The student must select this option even f the parent's qualify to claim the student as a dependent, and the parents do not claim them.

 

Here’s when the parents will claim the student as a dependent, but the parents will NOT claim any of the education expenses or report the 1098-T on the parent’s tax return.

 

.If the amount of scholarships/grants/529 funds exceeds the amount of qualified education expenses,  then the student will report the education stuff on the student’s tax return. The parent will know this when reporting the education on their tax return, because the parent will not qualify for any of the tax credits. (They only qualify for tax credits based on out-of-pocket qualified expenses not covered by scholarships/grants.)  Also, the parent’s will not qualify for the credits depending on their MAGI which is different for each credit, and depends on the marital status of the parent or parents.

In the case where scholarships/grants covers “all” qualified education expenses, the parent’s don’t need to report educational information on their dependent student at all – but they still claim the student as a dependent if they “qualify” to claim the student.

 If the scholarships/grants exceed the qualified education expenses, then the student will report the 1098-T and all other educational expenses and scholarships/grants on the student’s tax return. The student will pay taxes on the amount of scholarships/grants that are not used for qualified education expenses. However, if the student’s investment income exceeds $1,050 or if the student’s earned income when added to the excess scholarships/grants does NOT exceed $12,350 for the 2019 tax year, then the student doesn’t even need to file a tax return, and nothing has to be reported.

If the student has any other taxable income not reported on a W-2, and it exceeds $400, (not including taxable portion of scholarships/grants) then most likely it’s considered self-employment income. That will require a tax return to be filed and the student will have to pay the Self-Employment tax on that income.

Finally, regardless of the student’s W-2 earnings, if any taxes were withheld on those earnings and it was less than $12,350, then the student should file a tax return so as to get those withheld taxes refunded.

 

1099-Q Funds

 First, scholarships & grants are applied to qualified education expenses. The only qualified expenses for scholarships and grants are tuition, books, and lab fees. that's it. If there is any excess, then it's taxable income. It automatically gets transferred to and included in the total on line 7 of the 1040.

Next, 529/Coverdell funds reported on 1099-Q are applied to qualified education expenses. The qualified expenses for 1099-Q funds are tuition, books, lab fees, AND room & board. That's it. If there are any excess 1099-Q funds they are taxable. The amount is included in the total on line 7..

Finally, out of pocket money is applied to qualified education expenses

When you have a 1099-Q it is extremely important that you work through the education section of the program in the order it is designed and intended to be used. If you do not, then there is a high probability that you will not be asked for room & board expenses, and you could therefore be TAXED on your 1099-Q funds.

Finally, if "all" qualified expenses are covered by scholarships, grants, 1099-Q funds and there is ANY of those funds left over, the left over excess is taxable. While the parent can still claim the student as a dependent, it is the student who will report all the education stuff on the student's tax return. That's because the STUDENT pays the taxes on any excess scholarships, grants and 1099-Q funds.

I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

Same here!  This is very frustrating to say the least.  

I enter 529 college savings distribution 1099Q. 1098-T tuition paid exceeds the distribution. Turbo tax reduced my refund. Shouldn't distributions be tax exempt?

The 1099-Q is for information and does not need to included in your tax return.  Because it is causing this issue, just delete the 1099-Q from TurboTax and then fill out your return using the 1098-T.  Save the 1099-Q with your 2020 tax records.

 

To delete the 1099-Q

  • Sign into TurboTax
  • Search for 1099-Q
  • Jump to 1099-Q
  • Delete the 1099-Q by clicking the wastebasket next to it
  • Then confirm the delete

Then review your 1098-T

  • Search for 1098-T
  • Jump to 1098-T

Guide to 1098-T



 

 

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