1098-T was issued by university for $13000
1099-Q was issued by 529 manager for $20000 - this includes qualified withdrawal ($13000) and QTP to Roth IRA for $7000
1099-Q does not have QTP to Roth IRA box 4b checked. The 1099-Q issuer will issue only one 1099-Q.
When I enter 1098-T and 1099-Q in turbotax, it immediately reports taxable withdrawal for the rolled over amount and offers American Opportunity Credit which is incorrect as the fees/room/board expenses were paid with 529 money.
Any suggestions on addressing this? The only way I can see is to neither report with 1099-Q nor 1098-T but that doesn't seem right. I am using Turbotax Deluxe.
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In the past, you could enter two separate 1099-Qs. After answering (again) that you have a 1099-Q, you will reach a screen "Form 1099-Q summary". Click the "+ Add" button to get the interview for the 2nd 1099-Q.
It appears that you may be correct, that is the only way to enter the situation that you have.
Calculating the basis of the 13K distribution should be 13/20 times the box 3 amount. The earnings should be 13/20 times the box 2 amount.
Q, The only way I can see is to neither report with 1099-Q nor 1098-T. Is that "right"?
A. Yes.
The 1099-Q and the 1098-T are only an informational document. The numbers on them are not required to be entered onto your (or your student's) tax return. The interview is complicated and it's easy to make mistakes. Avoid it if you can and you probably can.
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including a ROTH conversion, to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by qualified expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records (you don’t need it). You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships.
References:
Also be advised, there's currently a glitch in TT preventing you from entering room & board expense. It's supposed to be fixed before the weekend, but hasn't happened yet.
Thanks for the feedback.
@baffled321 said:
When I enter 1098-T and 1099-Q in TurboTax (TT), it immediately reports taxable withdrawal for the rolled over amount and offers American Opportunity Tax Credit (AOTC) which is incorrect as the fees/room/board expenses were paid with 529 money.
TT will assume you want to claim the AOTC, if you are eligible, even if it means paying a little tax on the 529 earnings (the 10% penalty is waived, for the AOTC). It the 1098-T has $13,000 in box 1 that usually (almost always) does not include room & board. You only need $4000 of R&B expenses to free up $4000 of tuition for the maximum AOTC.
Even though the 1099-Q issuer did not check the right box on the 1099-Q, you will be allowed to indicate the Roth rollover, in TurboTax.
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit. Room and board (R&B) are also qualified expenses for the 529 distribution, but not the AOC (R&B are also not qualified expenses for a scholarship to be tax free).
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit regardless of whose money was used to pay the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses (including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
There is $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. A student, with no other income, can have up to $14,600 of taxable scholarship (in 2024) and still pay no income tax.
Thanks. I will wait till Turbotax is able to handle QTP to Roth IRA (hopefully fixed in the next few weeks) as right now, the AOTC is reduced due to the $7000 also being considered taxable.
I have a follow up question.
The 1099-Q shows basis and earnings for $20k. If I am able to obtain the basis for the 13k qualified withdrawals, can I enter the 1099-Q with those numbers in turbotax form (i.e. wont match the one send by 529 manager), so the tuition/room/board numbers are squared away and not have to mention or record the qtp to roth transfer of $7000. This way I can seperately call out the transfer.
In the past, you could enter two separate 1099-Qs. After answering (again) that you have a 1099-Q, you will reach a screen "Form 1099-Q summary". Click the "+ Add" button to get the interview for the 2nd 1099-Q.
It appears that you may be correct, that is the only way to enter the situation that you have.
Calculating the basis of the 13K distribution should be 13/20 times the box 3 amount. The earnings should be 13/20 times the box 2 amount.
Thanks @Hal_Al for your thoughtful and detailed replies. I added a second one and right now, Turbotax still taxes the $7k QTP to Roth as the "program has not been updated to support it yet. Please check back for updates". If this is not fixed by early April, I will likely file with just the one 1099-Q with the adjusted numbers for qualified withdrawals.
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