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Thank you for a very detailed -- yet understandable reply. Being considered a "small farm" -- which we are, we did not have income in 2023 and 2024 -- thus I created my own problem getting into Schedule J. I sincerely appreciate your 'laymen language' description and I think could have solved the issue days ago. But TT and the IRS language (from our point of view) just complicated the issue of total income and farm income. As I stated to a couple of other answers, we ended up deleting the Schedule J as we had "minus" income. (still not sure how I got into Schedule J in the first place as it was now in my 2023 or 2024 tax returns.) :>))
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