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December 3, 2022
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TurboTax 2021: Error in Taxes on Social Security Lump Sum

  • December 3, 2022
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In October of 2022 I filed my 2021 taxes.  eFile through the TurboTax service.

Recently, the IRS sent me a letter saying that I owe additional tax of $327.65 plus interest.

In 2021, I received a lump sum Social Security payment of $1,606 for 2020.

to calculate the taxable amount: 85% of $1,606 is $1,365.10.

In 2021, I am in the marginal tax bracket of 24%.  24% of $1,365.10 corresponds to $327.65 of tax.

This extra tax amount of $327.65 is exactly the figure that the IRS came up with.

I went back to TurboTax and checked that I have the lump sum info entered correctly.  On the paper copy of the Form 1040-SR, TurboTax has added the characters "LSE" to the left of the legend for line "6a".

Before I start claiming there is a bug in TurboTax 2021 that has cost me IRS interest, can anyone tell me if I did anything wrong in entering the Social Security info?

To say this another way, it looks as though TurboTax 2021 assessed zero tax on the lump sum; hence the shortfall that the IRS sent the letter about.

3 replies

fanfare
Level 15
December 3, 2022

Line 6a is interesting but it is not the taxable amount.

Line 6b is the taxable amount.

What is the amount in 6b ?

 

@Altoss 

AltossAuthor
Level 2
December 3, 2022

@fanfare 

Line 6a (Social Security benefits) has the total amount of payments for 2021, including the lump sum amount

Line 6b (Taxable amount) has a figure computed from (Line 6a minus Lump Sum Amount) * 85%

I went over the TurboTax 2021 Social Security worksheets and the figures appear to be correct.

These worksheets come from IRS Publication 915, it seems.

fanfare
Level 15
December 3, 2022

"can anyone tell me if I did anything wrong in entering the Social Security info?"

 

It's gong to depend on your other income.

if your AGI is low, there is no tax on the SS benefit and you should dispute the IRS finding.

@Altoss 

 

It's pretty surprising that you would get such fast turnaround from the IRS given their current backlog.

That's another reason to dispute it.

Critter-3
Level 15
December 3, 2022

First the IRS is not always correct and if you mailed in the return the data input operator probably missed the LSE notation on the form 1040.

 

Next this could be a user data entry error ... when you made the LSE you had to enter the 2020 tax information so the program could calculate how much of the SS benefits on line 6a  were taxable on line 6b.   So save a PDF of the return with all the worksheets to see if this was your error or the IRS.  If it was the IRS send the calculation worksheet to support your position.  

AltossAuthor
Level 2
December 3, 2022

Hi, @Critter-3 , thanks for responding.

 

I eFiled the taxes through the TurboTax service, so presumably not a data entry error by the IRS.

 

I fired up TurboTax 2021 on my computer and went over the entries for the Social Security Lump Sum.  What I have looks correct.   TT is definitely showing the correct amount for the Lump Sum.

It is just that TT is assessing zero tax on the Lump Sum amount.

AltossAuthor
Level 2
December 3, 2022

Thanks to @fanfare@Critter-3 for responding.

If we refer to IRS publication 915 for 2021, Page 11, it states:

"Generally, you use your 2021 income to figure the taxable part of the total benefits received in 2021.  However, you may be able to figure the taxable part of a lump-sum payment for an earlier year separately, using your income for the earlier year. You can elect this method if it lowers your taxable benefits.
Under the lump-sum election method, you refigure the taxable part of all your benefits for the earlier year (including the lump-sum payment) using that year's income.  Then, you subtract any taxable benefits for that year that you previously reported. The remainder is the taxable part of the lump-sum payment.  Add it to the taxable part of your benefits for 2021 (figured without the lump-sum payment for the earlier year)"

I read this to mean that we should take 85% of the Lump Sum payment of 2020 of $1,606  and apply my 2020  marginal tax rate of 22% to compute the tax on this Lump Sum payment.

I had enough Taxable Income in 2020 to get into the 22%  tax bracket.  In 2021, my Taxable Income puts me well into the 24% tax bracket.

However, TurboTax 2021 assessed zero tax on the Lump Sum payment.  I don't see that zero tax can possibly be correct, given my 2020 income.

Additional info, if I fire up TurboTax 2021 and delete the info I put in for the Lump Sum Payment, TurboTax  then comes up with the exact same tax amount and additional tax as shown in the recent letter from the IRS.

For now, I have sent a check to the IRS to pay the additional tax and "stop the clock" on the interest accruing.  For those interested, the exact wording in the IRS letter is, "We changed the amount of taxable Social Security benefits on your tax return because there was an error in the computation of the taxable amount"

In other words, the IRS computation disagrees with the TurboTax 2021 computation.

The IRS letter says I have until 20-Jan-23 to appeal the additional assessment.  So, any more input on this thread is appreciated.

At this point, I am puzzled as to how TurboTax 2021 computes the tax on the Lump Sum payment for 2020: am wondering about a bug.